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Old 06-15-2007, 10:34 PM
jackaaron jackaaron is offline
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Default 4/180 Weird stack situation...

When he checks the flop, I could make a 1/2 pot sized bet which if he reraised all I'd obviously have to call, or betting the pot (which is pretty much the same as putting him all in). I don't think checking after he did is an option. He wasn't particularly loose, and had been fairly quiet over the past several hands...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t14965)
SB (t9363)
BB (t5640)
UTG (t5074)
UTG+1 (t29043)
MP1 (t6191)
MP2 (t6238)
MP3 (t9656)
Hero (t20570)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t2400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1200.

Flop: (t4975) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ????
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Old 06-15-2007, 11:09 PM
plzleenowhammy plzleenowhammy is offline
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

i'd take the free 1
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:23 AM
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

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i'd take the free 1

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Why?

I lead for 3k which commits him but people are bad enough to fold the turn occasionally.
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Old 06-16-2007, 02:28 AM
plzleenowhammy plzleenowhammy is offline
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

people who minraise and don't lead rag flops are trapping with aa in my exp. in these 180's.
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:25 AM
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

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people who minraise and don't lead rag flops are trapping with aa in my exp. in these 180's.

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I'd muck it preflop to that minraise, which sounds ridiculous.
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

I take a free card and see what happens. My guess is he has a monster.
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:22 AM
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

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people who minraise and don't lead rag flops are trapping with aa in my exp. in these 180's.

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I'd muck it preflop to that minraise, which sounds ridiculous.

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I agree to the first statement, but why muck it because of that? If you hit your set you can stack him easily, by overbetting a rag flop like that, he's likely to shove his AA, thinking he has trapped you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] there is enough for you in the pot +SB stack to make this a mathematically correct call, if you're sure he has got AA!
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:45 AM
FortunaMaximus FortunaMaximus is offline
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

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people who minraise and don't lead rag flops are trapping with aa in my exp. in these 180's.

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I'd muck it preflop to that minraise, which sounds ridiculous.

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Eh. Position.

The flop's a check. 77's setted, 55 has you jammed. you're not +EV against 99-AA, 33-44 shows up infrequently enough, but still is a miniscule part of a minraising range. The rest is AK and AQ, and opps don't always shove those PF with the stack sizes.

And he's going to go for a check-shove with a decent frequency with that flop check. The good news is his range is predictable.

The bad news is 66 isn't getting enough value to bet flop and call the inevitable shove.

Seeing a turn card and turn action would be better than indiscriminately sticking it in.

Minraisers do find themselves, knowingly or not, managing pot sizes well in some situations PF. And it takes a very disclipined player to resist calling those minraises. (They add up.)

While you get slightly more than set value calling 66 PF, given Villain's stack size, it's incremental spew.
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Old 06-16-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

Definitely take the free card.

Minraising then not leading the flop screams of a slowplay. If villain has a big pair and you hit that straight, villain won't ever fold a big pair here.
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Old 06-16-2007, 02:53 PM
Cornell Fiji Cornell Fiji is offline
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Default Re: 4/180 Weird stack situation...

the past responses nailed it.

He is check-shoving pretty much always.

Free card and spike your 5
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