Fold KK this preflop??? - Page 2

Tofu_boy · #11 06-14-2007, 08:52 PM

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I did Fold KK preflop several times before with stars. I start play FTP for about a month now this is very 1st hand I fold KK Preflop any though.
Villian is TPP with 9/1.2/.56 out of 400 hands,

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($81.50)
MP2 ($43.50)
MP3 ($51.05)
CO ($45)
Hero ($74.45)
SB ($97.35)
BB ($10)
UTG ($98)
UTG+1 ($100.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $3, 4 folds, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, UTG raises to $30, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $43.50

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this is horrible. what did you expect when you 3-bet him? that he's going to fold? either be ready to shove, or if you're sure he has AA or AK, then call and play some poker. you wasted money, for "information" but you already had that information in your stats.

As is, 400 hands is not a lot. This can be AAKKQQ, but we can assume it is NOT AK. if that's what you're 3-betting for (to find out if it's QQ), then, i guess you found out.

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So you think it's better to call and see flop when player with these stats? Hmmm... I think it's a great idea.. Though anyone?

Eggpie · #12 06-14-2007, 09:15 PM

why is the raise too small? against this guys raising range isn't this ok? i know its only 400 hands, but he's unlikly to be raising anything random here so giving him better than 2:1 can't be too bad as we know about half the time he is pushing/reraising and we would have to fold.

I don't mind a call at all here and sometimes do this against similar nits

Klompy · #13 06-14-2007, 10:45 PM

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this is horrible. what did you expect when you 3-bet him? that he's going to fold? either be ready to shove, or if you're sure he has AA or AK, then call and play some poker. you wasted money, for "information" but you already had that information in your stats.

As is, 400 hands is not a lot. This can be AAKKQQ, but we can assume it is NOT AK. if that's what you're 3-betting for (to find out if it's QQ), then, i guess you found out.

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LOL, I love the idea of cc k,k pf playing for set value. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

threads13 · #14 06-14-2007, 11:28 PM

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I did Fold KK preflop several times before with stars. I start play FTP for about a month now this is very 1st hand I fold KK Preflop any though.
Villian is TPP with 9/1.2/.56 out of 400 hands,

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($81.50)
MP2 ($43.50)
MP3 ($51.05)
CO ($45)
Hero ($74.45)
SB ($97.35)
BB ($10)
UTG ($98)
UTG+1 ($100.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $3, 4 folds, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, UTG raises to $30, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $43.50

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this is horrible. what did you expect when you 3-bet him? that he's going to fold? either be ready to shove, or if you're sure he has AA or AK, then call and play some poker. you wasted money, for "information" but you already had that information in your stats.

As is, 400 hands is not a lot. This can be AAKKQQ, but we can assume it is NOT AK. if that's what you're 3-betting for (to find out if it's QQ), then, i guess you found out.

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So you think it's better to call and see flop when player with these stats? Hmmm... I think it's a great idea.. Though anyone?

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I think it has merit. I mean, what is the nit going to be raising with here in the first place QQ+ and maybe JJ/AK. If you are planning on folding to a reraise, then raising is a bad play against this range.

Jeff76 · #15 06-14-2007, 11:58 PM

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what did you expect when you 3-bet him? that he's going to fold?

[/ QUOTE ]Usually I expect people to call with worse hands and then play an inflated pot. It's not a bet for information, it's a bet for value. However, when he places his aces face up in front of us I'll take the information.

whorasaurus · #16 06-15-2007, 12:38 AM

man, i never fold KK preflop. But I like a fold in this spot. Hard to get much nittier than this

effang · #17 06-15-2007, 10:53 AM

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what did you expect when you 3-bet him? that he's going to fold?

[/ QUOTE ]Usually I expect people to call with worse hands and then play an inflated pot. It's not a bet for information, it's a bet for value. However, when he places his aces face up in front of us I'll take the information.

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look how short hero's stack is. by the time we hit the flop, more than 1/8 of our stack is already in play. If I'm AA, i may or may not 4-bet this, but i don't have to knowing that i can c/r any turn and he has to stack off.

as villain...
20 on the flop + (15 + 15)
50 on the turn = c/c c/r (for the last few bucks) or just open shove.