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Old 06-15-2007, 10:07 AM
Capitan23 Capitan23 is offline
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

tricky hand, could go either way with that one
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Old 06-15-2007, 10:15 AM
Middelemiel Middelemiel is offline
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

I'm a fish, so I definetely would've pushed all-in. Besides that I'm just a fish... I guess that many times you will see the ace of hearts, with only a draw to the nuts and 1 pair or something. That makes it enough to call. Adding fold equity I'm quite sure I would've pushed it all-in
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

I'm trying to see the value in a push, and I don't think I do. There is 0 FE here.

Anything that raises the turn won't fold the river getting close to 7:1 no matter what card falls.

8/44 (18%) of the time we get another [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (without pairing the board) on the river and with a non-nut flush that's a scare card for him because hero might have A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Str8's will check behind on a four flush river as well.

So we get to showdown without putting in that extra $ the times we are behind, and get called when we fill.

Yeah we lose some value when he has 77/88/99, but those are a small part of his range.

I think a call here saves hero 18% x 6.5 or $1 and change over a push as I don't believe worse hands are pushing the river when checked to given that hero's turn call makes it look like he is showdown committed.
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:52 AM
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

You can never see both FE and value in the same move no matter how hard you try. Its either a bluff or a value bet.
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Old 06-16-2007, 06:04 AM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

please push
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Old 06-16-2007, 06:14 AM
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

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please push

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Ew?
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

Wow

This is a push 110% like someone said, I wouldn't fold without someone cutting my hands in the middle of the hand, and then I would just timebank out :S

And you're not even 100bb:s deep, I mean wtf to all who are folding here? And "villains stats are all solid" tells absolutely nothing about him.
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: qq flopped top set, good fold?

Yep easy shove, you got outs against everything that beats you, and you're still gonna see sets and 2pairs that you beat.
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