TPNK + NFD oop

pp262 · #1 06-14-2007, 04:32 AM

First time I've played with Villain, he seems loose in position, stats 35/15/1.5 over a small sample. I haven't seen him play any big pots before. My image is probably TAG. Flop play is standard right? Call or shove turn?

5/10, 6 handed

SB $1,000.00
BB $1,120.00
Hero (UTG) $1,097.00
MP $781.00
CO $2,339.00
Villain (BN) $1,899.10

Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero raises to $35, 2 folds, Villain (BN) calls $35, 2 folds

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($85)

Hero bets $60, Villain raises to $180, Hero calls $120

Turn 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($325)

Hero checks, Villain bets $220, Hero..

thatpfunk · #2 06-14-2007, 04:40 AM

callllllls.

MT A CLIP · #3 06-14-2007, 04:45 AM

I shove turn a lot, I see him folding a better ace a lot and even when called you probably have a [censored] load of outs

DTD · #4 06-14-2007, 05:16 AM

Just call, a push will get called too often and you'd usually get paid off if you hit either way.

BDaws · #5 06-14-2007, 05:24 AM

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callllllls.

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If we call, is our river play as simple as folding if it bricks and open shoving if we hit one of our 12 of our pretty clean outs? Stacks will be like 660 in a pot of 760.

yoshi86 · #6 06-14-2007, 06:17 AM

I would probably shove on the flop. If I didn't do that, I would shvoe the turn.

Hattifnatt · #7 06-14-2007, 06:19 AM

shoving turn looks good.

DTD · #8 06-14-2007, 06:28 AM

I can understand doing this but it just gets called to much IMO given the reads, or lack of. From villian's point of view, assuming he has a hand, it's just like hero doesn't want to fold so just shoves rather than call and leave a psb left. Not many villians bet/fold with that line with a made hand.

pp262 · #9 06-14-2007, 02:03 PM

To those advocating a shove, what hands do you think he folds here?

thatpfunk · #10 06-14-2007, 02:26 PM

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callllllls.

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If we call, is our river play as simple as folding if it bricks and open shoving if we hit one of our 12 of our pretty clean outs? Stacks will be like 660 in a pot of 760.

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ya, i mean sometimes if the table dictates you can make a hero call on the river if you check and he shoves or if hes aggro and you hit your outs you can check to him.

but i think it goes c-f alot, c-c alot, and when you hit most of the time you bomb.

shoving i dislike on this board. its like the bizarro two way bluff: never folds a hand we beat and never calls with a hand we're ahead of.

call and chk-fold > call and chk-call > shoving