50NL-classic flush draw situation

supercheval · #1 06-13-2007, 04:24 AM

I feel my biggest leak is playing big draw like this one, I felt totaly lost during that hand... Every street could be wrong and I wouldn't be surprised. The villain in this hand is a tag.
Is the flop call good? Should I have shoved instead? Should I have folded instead? why?
On the turn, I felt that it was obvious that I had a flush so I decided to check.. is this stupid?
On the river, I feel that my bet was too small because at that point, I was pretty sure he had an ace.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($59.95)
Hero ($99.45)
UTG ($46.45)
Button ($55.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, Button raises to $13, SB folds, Hero calls $8.50.

Turn: ($32) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($32) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15.

Final Pot: $62

PaulG · #2 06-13-2007, 04:42 AM

I would fold to his flop raise. He is not scared of the A, so it probably helped him (or he has a set), so you are drawing to 9 outs and are behind. He priced you out. You may not have huge implied odds because most tags won't stack off with TP with a flush on the board.

As played, I bet $24 on the turn and try to get it all in.
As played on the river, if you think he has an A (Which I do to), bet $25-$30), he'll call.

flo · #3 06-13-2007, 04:57 AM

Well to make the flop call correct you basicly have to win his stack. He raised, so the chance he is stacking off is quite high. He might not put you on a draw because of your bet (read/opponent dependant).
You have to lead the turn, the pot must get bigger. Villain has around 45 left on the turn, and you have to get that in on turn and river. Maybe around 15 on turn and 30 (half PSB) on the river? Depends a bit on villain: if he is afraid of getting bluffed then a turn check and river open shove can be interesting, but as standard you have to lead turn.

edit: too bad i can't read. But my point stands, get the money in! You don't have to get the whole stack in this situation, but getting more value isn't exactly a mistake.

lippy · #4 06-13-2007, 05:02 AM

How on earth have the first two posts said calling the flop is wrong or you need to stack villain? This flop call is incredibly standard and +EV. He's getting almost 2:1 immediate odds. Come on.

I like the way the hand continued. Your hand was face-up and you extracted more value. The thin vb on the river was nice.

Lego05 · #5 06-13-2007, 05:06 AM

Getting almost 3 to 1 on flop actually and seems very standard call to me too. I also like the hand except I would have bet just a little more on river.

flo · #6 06-13-2007, 05:09 AM

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How on earth have the first two posts said calling the flop is wrong or you need to stack villain? This flop call is incredibly standard and +EV. He's getting almost 2:1 immediate odds. Come on.

I like the way the hand continued. Your hand was face-up and you extracted more value. The thin vb on the river was nice.

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Not being able to read properly might be the answer you are looking for.

lippy · #7 06-13-2007, 05:12 AM

LOL OK. I kind of quit reading at; "Well to make the flop call correct you basicly have to win his stack" because I thought you were going to echo the first post.

PaulG · #8 06-13-2007, 05:55 AM

Points taken, and of course you are correct. What do you do if you miss the flush on the turn? Check/fold?