Live deep 2/5 - flush draw...

llleisure · #1 06-11-2007, 06:11 AM

Involved stacks are:
Hero (Button): $800
Villain (SB): covers hero

Hero has a weak-tight image, villain is new to table from a broken game and was way up from that game. Seems tight agressive and recently won a big hand at this table too.

Hero has: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Several limpers, hero makes it $25 to pickup $, SB makes it $70, folds around to hero who calls.

Flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain bets $150
Hero shoves for $730

Question: How often does villain need to fold to make this play make sense? Can this play EVER make sense? I know fold PF might be the "right" play here, so you don't have to point that out. Obviously it didn't end well for hero lol - but I'm curious if the play ever made sense or if it was just nothing but stupid the whole way.

ipp147 · #2 06-11-2007, 07:59 AM

I don't play alot live but..

preflop seems pretty terrible. I just limp along here.

I think the flop is standard with all the money already in there. Just stick it through pokerstove with a range. I mean you prob have 12 outs twice here and a bunch of fold equity against non AK/AQ type hands.

donkmagic · #3 06-11-2007, 08:03 AM

the only hands he really has fold equity against are ak / aq...

Hattifnatt · #4 06-11-2007, 08:04 AM

limp or raise more preflop, calling the additional 45 is fine for sure with the dead money and position. flop push looks good.

Jinx · #5 06-11-2007, 08:05 AM

You're 50/50 or better vs his range, once you get to the flop easy push.

ipp147 · #6 06-11-2007, 09:50 AM

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the only hands he really has fold equity against are ak / aq...

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yeah - meant non club AK/AQ hands

llleisure · #7 06-11-2007, 08:43 PM

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the only hands he really has fold equity against are ak / aq...

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Doesn't a call on the button followed by a $600 shove on the flop fold QQ/JJ and maybe even KK here at least some reasonable % of the time?

JasonP530 · #8 06-12-2007, 11:31 AM

25 never gets the money preflop b/c 40 usually wont. Not a bad shove on the flop. You are flipping vs. JJ and fold it sometimes along with many other hands. Noone ever folds QQ or KK here ever.

-Jason

llleisure · #9 06-12-2007, 06:57 PM

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25 never gets the money preflop b/c 40 usually wont. Not a bad shove on the flop. You are flipping vs. JJ and fold it sometimes along with many other hands. Noone ever folds QQ or KK here ever.

-Jason

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Or AA with the A of [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

It did take him like 5 minutes to not fold the AA anyway lol. He was SO on the fence I swear I think he would have folded QQ for sure and KK over 50% of the time. Turn and river bricked, AA took down $1620ish pot.