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Old 06-12-2007, 07:46 AM
Courtesy Flush Courtesy Flush is offline
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Default As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bubble?

This is probably old as hell around these parts but it has been a personal discovery for me.

Whenever I'm obscenely big stacked with a few people to go until the bubble bursts, I start to softplay the short stacks to try and keep them alive while I bully all of the medium stacks who I know are just trying to make the money at that point. This is mostly accomplished by folding or just limping on the shortstack's blinds and then stealing the medium stack's blinds with any 2. By doing this I often find the bubble bursting with everyone being in a lot worse shape against me than they would have been if I'd treated everyone the same and tried to get the short stacks out sooner.

I know bullying the bubble is super standard strategy, but has anyone written about purposely keeping the short stacks alive to help whittle away everyone else?
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:44 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

There have been quite a few threads about this but maybe not recently / this year.
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Old 06-12-2007, 09:19 AM
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

How do you attack the medium stacks?
Do you put them all in, or do you only raise 2-4bb's unless this will make you pot commited?
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Old 06-12-2007, 09:36 AM
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

I'm interested in the earlyer threads regarding this. Can't find them via search... Link anyone?
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Old 06-12-2007, 09:39 AM
The Bubbler The Bubbler is offline
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

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How do you attack the medium stacks?
Do you put them all in, or do you only raise 2-4bb's unless this will make you pot commited?

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I just shove them. I don't want to give them the opportunity or the idea they have folding equity on pushing me. Force them to make the choice: "Wait for the money or risk bubbling with a shortstack in play"
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

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I know bullying the bubble is super standard strategy, but has anyone written about purposely keeping the short stacks alive to help whittle away everyone else?

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There's a similar situation in Sklansky's Tournament Poker for Advanced Players where you purposely fold to a short stack when you're a big chip leader in an MTT and you're down to the final 2 tables (5 players each). The payouts for the final table escalate greatly, so no one wants to "bubble" in 10th

Same thing applies for SnGs, but because the blinds go up so fast, you might actually be a medium/short stack as the chip leader at some point and you might just need to take on the short stack at some point.

The example in the book talked about folding QQ in this spot or something like that. I'm not sure that I'd ever fold that to a short stack unless I *really* had control of the table.
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Old 06-12-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

search the archives for old jason strasser posts about 3 years ago
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:05 PM
Courtesy Flush Courtesy Flush is offline
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Default Re: As the big stack is it wise to keep the short stacks in on the bub

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How do you attack the medium stacks?
Do you put them all in, or do you only raise 2-4bb's unless this will make you pot commited?

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I just shove them.

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Ditto. Then after a lot of shoving I'll 3x one of my weaker hands occasionally because they fold even faster to that thinking it's a MONSTER.

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search the archives for old jason strasser posts about 3 years ago

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Surely all of his 3 year old posts didn't discuss this. In other words, how would I find what I'm looking for?
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