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Old 06-10-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default iso from the SB - general question

A weak passive player open limps from middle position, folded to you in the SB, BB is average or unknown. What are your raising standards from here?

I find myself raising A7o and up, 77 and up, and KTo and up.

Do you tend to tighten up more in these scenarios when playing in a 1/2 blind structure as opposed to a 2/3?
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

This is a sitaution that would very rarely happen in middle stakes games and higher. But it would be good to know what to do.

I think it would depend on a lot of things obviously. If you have a tight, solid image and the limper likes to fold postflop, I think you could do it with quite a wide range of hands. But as a general default answer...

I think you have it about right. I vote 66 and better, A8o and better, and KTo and better. I would get a bit looser with suited holdings.

With less equity, I think you would be better served to complete and play 3-way for the times you flop a strong hand.
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

I usually raise Axs also.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

In this situation, your action should depend very heavily on the calling range of the BB. You will be playing OOP to 2 players if he calls, and he's getting 5:1 in a semi-blind steal situation, but the more likely he is to fold, the more likely I'm willing to open light. Otherwise, the above ranges look pretty good.
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

I think this range is too wide especially since the player is a) passive and raising and b) doing it from middle position.
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

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I think this range is too wide especially since the player is a) passive and raising and b) doing it from middle position.

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Reread. Passive player in MP is open limping. Obviously, we need a strong hand to 3-bet if he had raised.
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Old 06-11-2007, 08:19 AM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

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I find myself raising A7o and up, 77 and up, and KTo and up.


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This range is too narrow imo.
I'd prob raise everything I'd open from the hijack with and at least call with anything I'd defend a button open with.
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Old 06-11-2007, 08:52 AM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

My bust.
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Old 06-11-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

I tend to tighten up a bit when out of position. Then again, I try to loosen up in these situations also because a lot of players fear a SB raise more than a raise coming from late position. With regard to calling, if the BB is passive, I tend to call with all sorts of junk. The more aggressive he is, the more I tighten up.
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Old 06-11-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: iso from the SB - general question

This situation has been coming up quite often in the 10/20 and 15/30 games lately. Much more often than I would have expected also.

Being suited in these situations isn't as important to me as high card strength. If I knew the BB to be a loose defender, that would certainly change. But if that were the case, I would probably be completing instead of raising with some of the worse hands noted above.
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