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#1
06-10-2007, 11:02 PM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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OK, so we all seem to agree with $15 here. Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 7 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $98.20 UTG+1: $56.70 MP1: $9 CO: $30.90 Button: $23.65 Hero: $52.45 BB: $10 Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls. Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.5, 4 players) Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $5.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $15</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls. Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38.5, 2 players) Hero ??? Now what? I am totally lost in this hand. [/ QUOTE ] Based on your read that he will make loose calls, bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn. 
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#2
06-10-2007, 11:06 PM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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[ QUOTE ] OK, so we all seem to agree with $15 here. Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 7 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $98.20 UTG+1: $56.70 MP1: $9 CO: $30.90 Button: $23.65 Hero: $52.45 BB: $10 Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls. Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.5, 4 players) Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $5.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $15</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls. Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($38.5, 2 players) Hero ??? Now what? I am totally lost in this hand. [/ QUOTE ] Based on your read that he will make loose calls, bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] 2/3pot basically commits you, so why not just push? I mean you gonna call if he reraises anyways so....
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#4
06-10-2007, 11:18 PM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
I think with bad players, I tend to play big pots. I am ahead more times then not. I think you are ahead more then 2 out of 3 times here, so I push all day, if not oh well.
One question, is this a guy you see frequently? If so, I think the info you would gain from this hand would have some value, I dont mind losing a hand like this is it give me more info on someone's play.
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#5
06-10-2007, 11:25 PM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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I think with bad players, I tend to play big pots. I am ahead more times then not. I think you are ahead more then 2 out of 3 times here, so I push all day, if not oh well. One question, is this a guy you see frequently? If so, I think the info you would gain from this hand would have some value, I dont mind losing a hand like this is it give me more info on someone's play. [/ QUOTE ] Your thinking here is all wrong. Of course you are ahead more often than not here, but how often are you ahead if he calls your push? "Don't take away their rope"
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#6
06-10-2007, 11:29 PM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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[ QUOTE ] I think with bad players, I tend to play big pots. I am ahead more times then not. I think you are ahead more then 2 out of 3 times here, so I push all day, if not oh well. One question, is this a guy you see frequently? If so, I think the info you would gain from this hand would have some value, I dont mind losing a hand like this is it give me more info on someone's play. [/ QUOTE ] Your thinking here is all wrong. Of course you are ahead more often than not here, but how often are you ahead if he calls your push? "Don't take away their rope" [/ QUOTE ] By OP flat calling on flop (don't like it but hand is well disguised) I think a push will get a call most times. Bad players love to stack off IMO. And well, if not, it's a decent pot anyways with a so-so hand. But I definately see where your coming from, probably something I need to work on at times, but then again I would have played the hand diff from the get go, and I rarely find myself in these positions.
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#8
06-11-2007, 06:45 AM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think with bad players, I tend to play big pots. I am ahead more times then not. I think you are ahead more then 2 out of 3 times here, so I push all day, if not oh well. One question, is this a guy you see frequently? If so, I think the info you would gain from this hand would have some value, I dont mind losing a hand like this is it give me more info on someone's play. [/ QUOTE ] Your thinking here is all wrong. Of course you are ahead more often than not here, but how often are you ahead if he calls your push? "Don't take away their rope" [/ QUOTE ] By OP flat calling on flop (don't like it but hand is well disguised) I think a push will get a call most times. Bad players love to stack off IMO. And well, if not, it's a decent pot anyways with a so-so hand. But I definately see where your coming from, probably something I need to work on at times, but then again I would have played the hand diff from the get go, and I rarely find myself in these positions. [/ QUOTE ] OP raised the flop.
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#9
06-10-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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"Don't take away their rope" [/ QUOTE ]So what about check/calling? That seems the best way to play against the weakest part of his range. Or are we too worried about a flush draw? The thing I don't like about leading here is that I think it works out about the same as a push: he only calls with better hands.
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#10
06-11-2007, 06:52 AM
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Re: 50NL- JJ OOP Street By Street
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[ QUOTE ] "Don't take away their rope" [/ QUOTE ]So what about check/calling? That seems the best way to play against the weakest part of his range. Or are we too worried about a flush draw? The thing I don't like about leading here is that I think it works out about the same as a push: he only calls with better hands. [/ QUOTE ] I guess in this hand I'm putting my faith in the fact that he is the bad player you say he is. From your read I assumed that he would call more hands than he would bet with but I wasn't at the table with him. My assumption was that he wouldn't bet those weaker hands in his range but would call with them (like any pocket pair). If you now think he will only call with a better hand, and still think he will only bet his strong hands then c/f to any reasonable bet is best.
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