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#32
12-31-2005, 08:30 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
Thanks for the posts everyone. I thought once I had the cash in my account it was safe. I only sent the western union transfer after I received the $740. I don't see how I was stupid, the money was already transfered to my account when I did the w.u. transaction. I was fine until Pokerstars decided to refund the transaction. I've used their site to trade w$ and t$ alot and thought I could trust their system. There wouldn't have been a scam if Pokerstars had of left the money transfer as is. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The only thing I am guilty of I trusting Pokerstars to honour their transactions. Once I received the funds my trust was in their site, not the unknown scammer. So how am I a 'retard or stupid' by trusting a legitimate pokersite? 70,000+ users, television commercials...a WPT event. I trusted their integrity. How can they reverse a transaction?
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#33
12-31-2005, 08:48 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
You misunderstand the system.
If you cashed a check from the scammer, and then gave cash to the scammer the next day, you would understand why it was foolish. A week later you would learn that the check bounced. Would you then claim that you put the trust in your bank? No, you put trust in the scammer and their check! When doing inter-account transfers, you are not trusting the SITE, you are trusting the other individual. The reason you had no trouble before was because the individuals were legit. If you played against him and won the money (not looking like dumping), then you could trust the winnings were yours, because they came from the site. You can trust the site. And then the site caught him for depositing with a stolen credit card in the first place, they would eat the loss and you would keep your winnings. That's a big piece of why there are deposit limits. If someone could steal a card and deposit a $20k credit line at once, they could then dump to a variety of players online, looking fairly legit. . . or get a bunch of peopel to fall for transfer scames. By the time the site caught them, they would have processed away all or most of the cash. So this is why there are deposit limits, and this is why people get into trouble for trying to bypass the transfer systems in place. . . there have also been threads with people caught dumping chips to each other to transfer larger amounts of funds. Surprise; it's forbidden and gets your account locked during an investigation, because that's how theives launder money! For this same reason, all cash transactions in US casinos over $10,000 must be reported. It's about stopping money laundering!
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#34
12-31-2005, 08:59 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
If you deposit a personal check to a bank account can you withdraw the funds before it clears? How about at pokerstars? If the guy tried to withdraw his balance shortly after the transfer, would he have been successful?
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#36
12-31-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
Mogobu The Fool is right. Everyone wants to blame Pokerstars when IMO you should be thankful you didnt get banned forever for participating in this, knowingly or not. Its not Pokerstars "system" its the fact someone commited fraud and your account helped them try to get the money back. Pokerstars cant reward you for being a part of this.
As mentioned before the party cashing out the cash is often a part of the fraud. If they allowed this to happen and let the fraudsters keep the money none of these poker rooms could stay in business. Its that simple. You were had by an old scam. Quit trying to blame Pokerstars for it and be thankful they did not ban you. I assume you have a good track record with them. If your account was new I'm sure they would automatically assume you were a part of it. The check comparison is a great way to look at it. The money might be in your account but if the check bounces the bank takes it back. If the bank didnt do it you could write checks all over toen and scam the banks and they would have no recourse and would go out of business from all the fraud. If someone bounces a check is it the banks fault? Should they eat the loss?
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#37
12-31-2005, 09:11 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
[ QUOTE ]
If you deposit a personal check to a bank account can you withdraw the funds before it clears? How about at pokerstars? If the guy tried to withdraw his balance shortly after the transfer, would he have been successful? [/ QUOTE ] He would almost certainly have to cash it out the way he deposited it. If it was a credit card they would probably have to fax back info. It is doubtful this player ever had the intention of cashing it out that way.
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#39
12-31-2005, 09:29 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
The reason I ask is that the level of vestedness in the cash reasonably perceived by the player would depend on his ability to cash out. If pokerstars lets him cash out, it's effectively a stamp of approval that the money belongs to him. To backtrack on that as a matter of policy is unethical IMO.
To the extent a bank doesn't let you cash out an uncleared personal check, the two situations are quite different.
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#40
12-31-2005, 09:37 PM
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Re: scam at pokerstars
It's like beating head against wall. I give up trying to explain this. You go to your bank and cash/deposit a check and it bounces they dont let you keep the money just because someone defrauded you, the same goes for cashing out funds someone else stole from a poker room. think of them as a bank. If they let people scam them like that they would all be out of business just like the banks would be if they let peoole defraud them on bad checks.
The poker room probably does not even know for sure if the OP is a part of the scam and they should let him keep $740 in stolen money? This is the exact reason many rooms make you play out transfered money, so they can not be scammed like this.
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