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TheRenaissance · #1 06-10-2007, 05:24 PM

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.15/$0.30 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $96.30
Hero (BB): $60.00
UTG: $88.90
MP: $38.40
CO: $89.25
BTN: $27.90

Reads: Fairly new to the table, had a vague impression that both villains were loose passive. What do you think about my turn bet?

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q

A

(6 Players)
UTG calls $0.30, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.60, UTG folds, CO calls $2.30, BTN calls $2.30
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Flop: ($8.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero bets $7.00, CO calls $7.00, BTN calls $7.00

Turn: ($29.25) T

(3 Players)
Hero bets $20.00

tannenj · #2 06-10-2007, 05:29 PM

looks good, i might bet more, like 24-25.

co raises turn, i think you have to fold. with these stacks, i probably check river and fold to a reasonable bet.

Marshall28 · #3 06-10-2007, 05:34 PM

i think the bet size is good, i jsut hope u understand taht u have to fold to any kind of raise, and you probably have to c/f river also. --unless u have a very strong read, but it seems like u dont. i might be more inclined to check here since u r playing deepstacked. TPTK is a medium strength hand in deepstack and u r playing it like its a monster.

TheRenaissance · #4 06-10-2007, 05:43 PM

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TPTK is a medium strength hand in deepstack and u r playing it like its a monster.

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This is why I posted it. I just had a feeling the villains would have Qx/draw a lot more often then anything that beats me. So if I check I am making a fundamental theorem mistake. But if I bet I am creating a very big pot.

bluffbetter · #5 06-10-2007, 05:43 PM

Is there any value in disguising your hand on the flop by betting around $3? My thinking is that you want weaker hands to call. I'm not sure it's always necessary to price out the flush draw against only 1 or 2 people and I think you have to balance the outside chance of a flush draw against maybe getting some value from the weaker hands. You may well be behind after the flop here though.

Marshall28 · #6 06-10-2007, 05:46 PM

3$ into an 8$ pot? ... u r pricing the draws in if you do that buddy.

renaissance ... dont be too concerned about making the fundamental theorem mistake. there are many scenarios where its worth it so much more to allow draws a free card than to get yourself raised all in or c/r all in.

according to the fundamental theorem its a mistake to fold KK pf if villain has AA ... but we all know thats not really a mistake unless villain is like 10/4 right?

TheRenaissance · #7 06-10-2007, 06:01 PM

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3$ into an 8$ pot? ... u r pricing the draws in if you do that buddy.

renaissance ... dont be too concerned about making the fundamental theorem mistake. there are many scenarios where its worth it so much more to allow draws a free card than to get yourself raised all in or c/r all in.

according to the fundamental theorem its a mistake to fold KK pf if villain has AA ... but we all know thats not really a mistake unless villain is like 10/4 right?

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Yeah I know. What I should have said is: I think my hand beats a large percentage of their range on the turn. My plan was definitely to b/f btw.

TheRenaissance · #8 06-10-2007, 06:03 PM

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Is there any value in disguising your hand on the flop by betting around $3?

[/ QUOTE ]No.

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I'm not sure it's always necessary to price out the flush draw against only 1 or 2 people

[/ QUOTE ]Huge difference between 1 and 2 people in my book.

Marshall28 · #9 06-10-2007, 06:05 PM

i kinda think that u almost turn your hand into a bluff here ... what do u expect to get value from here? ... like KQ or QJ or FD ... but i dont see them calling w/ those hands unless they are like really bad.

but then again, i dont play the deepstacked games so i could be wrong i guess.

dawade · #10 06-10-2007, 06:10 PM

I like the bet on the turn and might would have bet even more ($25) since it's multiway and you're OOP.