25NL - Tough decisions with TT

hummusx · #1 06-10-2007, 01:37 AM

This guy is 22/12/4.5. On his second hand at the table, he shoved 88 over my turn bet on a K high board and caught an 8 on the river to beat my AK.

I actually think I should have folded the turn here. If I'd known I would fold the river, I probably would have. It's unlikely that my hand gets any better. But I couldn't figure out the best course of action and so I called hoping that might slow him down. Obv it didn't and I couldn't convince myself I was ahead.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($47.45)
SB ($37.95)
BB ($24.35)
UTG ($11.75)
Hero ($26.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1, UTG folds.

Flop: ($4.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, BB folds.

Turn: ($10.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($20.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $28.10

TexAg06 · #2 06-10-2007, 02:03 AM

Why don't you think you're ahead? I think you're WA here, I raise turn. What could he have that beats you?

vixticator · #3 06-10-2007, 02:06 AM

Why did you fold river? WTF. Keep betting on the turn. I don't get it.

Edit: Wait, you folded because he's a donkey and sucked out the last hand? Wow.

hummusx · #4 06-10-2007, 02:22 AM

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Why did you fold river? WTF. Keep betting on the turn. I don't get it.

Edit: Wait, you folded because he's a donkey and sucked out the last hand? Wow.

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You don't have to be a smarta$$. I thought I was behind because the last time he had a mediocre holding he got REALLY aggressive with it. Here he made callable bets.

What could he possibly have that beats me? Hmm, I dunno. A set?

Maybe I *am* playing scared because I've lost just about every pot I've played in the last 3 days.

wslee00 · #5 06-10-2007, 02:26 AM

yes - you are playing scared

vixticator · #6 06-10-2007, 02:30 AM

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You don't have to be a smarta$$.

Maybe I *am* playing scared because I've lost just about every pot I've played in the last 3 days.

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Yes, this is playing scared. Stop searching for monsters when you go to a flop. Him calling the flop is W-E-A-K not strong. The only reason he bet the turn is because you checked. River is a weak bluff because he doesn't want to go to showdown with his hand. When the board paired 3's your hand became stronger and you need to bet again.

TexAg06 · #7 06-10-2007, 02:40 AM

If nothing else call the river on pot odds alone, you're getting 2.5:1 with an overpair to the board and no straights or flushes. The only thing that has you beat is a set, and he sure didn't play it like one. vixicator is correct, you seem to be playing tentatively. I understand why after your bad run, but firing on the turn is a must.

hummusx · #8 06-10-2007, 02:51 AM

Ok, I take the point that people generally think I played this poorly. But I've gotta argue with the idea that this is NOT how someone plays a set. This is exactly how someone plays a set. Hell, this is how I'd play a set on this board. I might check behind on the turn to induce a bet on the river. But I don't think this looks significantly different than how I would would expect 88 to get played in this pot.

marvin_1935 · #9 06-10-2007, 02:51 AM

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but firing on the turn is a must.

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why?

marvin_1935 · #10 06-10-2007, 02:52 AM

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Ok, I take the point that people generally think I played this poorly. But I've gotta argue with the idea that this is NOT how someone plays a set. This is exactly how someone plays a set. Hell, this is how I'd play a set on this board. I might check behind on the turn to induce a bet on the river. But I don't think this looks significantly different than how I would would expect 88 to get played in this pot.

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this is a terrible way to play a set