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#32
06-09-2007, 03:29 AM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
Last year I was playing in event #41. A couple people had already been DQ'ed during the series for the same reason. After a couple levels a kid gets sent to our table with no chips. Dealer asks about that, and a few of us look at each other and know what's coming next. The kid pulls enough chips out of his pocket to cover the biggest stack at the table with ease. Dealer and floor give him the bad news, and he just flushed the $1500 buy-in down the toilet.
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#33
06-09-2007, 04:53 AM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
my bad. If they announced it more than once, I understand the ruling. It's not a judgement situaltion. It just seems like tough decisions are always put to the floor when has no idea of the right ruling. The floor people are constantly put in these siutations. Sometimes it's black and white, other times judgement is involved. Yet players expect them to make snap judgements. It's not that easy as players think it is. I agree, it is harsh, but, if they announced it several times it is black and white.
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#36
06-09-2007, 11:24 AM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
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[ QUOTE ] I'm both a dealer and a floorman. This type of decision decides what kind of player you are. Experienced players understand this is a no-no. But, you have to use common sense. He was not angle-shooting. This is the type of player you want in every tournament. Why do you want to isolate him? In big poker tournaments, ignorance is sometime an excuse for the law. Those chips should have been in play. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] So Men could get an army of new players to pocket chips for him and your common sense would let them get away with it- you cant have different rules for the fish- it sucks to be the guy losing his chips but this isnt some $5 homegame, if I am paying thousands to enter a tournament I want the rules enforced in the strongest way possible
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#37
06-09-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm both a dealer and a floorman. This type of decision decides what kind of player you are. Experienced players understand this is a no-no. But, you have to use common sense. He was not angle-shooting. This is the type of player you want in every tournament. Why do you want to isolate him? In big poker tournaments, ignorance is sometime an excuse for the law. Those chips should have been in play. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] So Men could get an army of new players to pocket chips for him and your common sense would let them get away with it- you cant have different rules for the fish- it sucks to be the guy losing his chips but this isnt some $5 homegame, if I am paying thousands to enter a tournament I want the rules enforced in the strongest way possible [/ QUOTE ] This is common thinking among those that are unfamiliar with the decision making process. Here is one of the most important rules that is generally unfamiliar to those that are newer to B&M poker. [ QUOTE ] 8. The same action may have a different meaning, depending on who does it, so the possible intent of an offender will be taken into consideration. Some factors here are the person’s amount of poker experience and past record. [/ QUOTE ]
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#38
06-09-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
It's difficult enough maintaining the integrity of the game without allowing ignorance, no matter how innocent, to outweigh what is best for the game. I can't imagine anyone who is that wet behind the ears entering a WSOP game without having had some play in tournaments.
Hiding chips is never allowed. When tables break the more seasoned players will reiterate this very rule to the newbies at the table who attempt to pocket their chips b/c it's easier to carry that way. Racks are given to players with too many chips to handle easily. This is such a basic rule that anyone who has moved from a table in any tournament would become familiar with it from day one. No compromises or others will look to pass chips to their friends in need using this method. No more ammo for cheats. Your friend will be all the wiser next year and very happy to know that rules are in place for everyone's benefit. Collusion happens...rules are in place to minimize opportunity. The ruling was adequate - he's lucky he wasn't DQ'd.
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#39
06-09-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
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[ QUOTE ] Something like a plastic transparent bag with a zipper provided by the Casino should fix most of these problems. [/ QUOTE ] how about a rack? [/ QUOTE ] Anything that costs more than 10 cents a piece is a big no-no for Harrah's.
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#40
06-09-2007, 07:10 PM
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Re: A Severe Penalty - This hardly seems a fair outcome.
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Something like a plastic transparent bag with a zipper provided by the Casino should fix most of these problems. [/ QUOTE ] I have not been in a tournament yet, WSOP included (2005) where you couldn't ask either the dealer or the floor for chip racks. I remember watching Greg Raymer on ESPN for I think the 2005 event, where they are escorting him to his new table (with Mike the mouth there too), and he had a ton of chips many of them in several chip racks. If you have too many chips to carry in one hand (a problem everyone hopes for I might add), ask for assistance from the floor or the dealer to get them to your new table.
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