25NL - QQ in a multi-way all-in

hummusx · #1 06-09-2007, 01:41 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($7.50)
Button ($25.25)
Hero ($25.10)
BB ($24.65)
UTG ($45.10)
MP ($32.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $1, MP raises to $1.75, CO (poster) calls $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.75, BB raises to $24.65, UTG folds, MP calls $22.90, CO calls $5.75 (All-In), Hero calls $17.90.

Flop: ($82.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $0.25, MP raises to $1.75, Hero calls $0.20 (All-In).

Turn: ($84.65) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($84.65) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $84.65

Nick C · #2 06-09-2007, 01:49 AM

It looks to me like the cards fell extrememly well for BB preflop in this one.

Still, getting over 4:1, I don't really see how you can fold. There is some chance BB just has AK or is gambling it up with TT and you have the best hand. Plus, with five cards to come, you're only about a 9:2 dog to AA anyway.

In any event, the flop bet is amusing.

hummusx · #3 06-09-2007, 01:51 AM

Yeah, I misclicked the flop bet.

I'm not really getting 4:1 either, because CO didn't have a full stack.

jessyj07 · #4 06-09-2007, 01:53 AM

no way in hell I call this.

barryc83 · #5 06-09-2007, 01:55 AM

I think you gotta fold unless you have reads. I mean unless BB is a moron hes super strong here. Granted I have seen many a tagfish pull this move with AK. Also, MP minRR pf and then calls the AI. Its too late and I dont wanna do the math but youre dominated too often here to call IMO.

hummusx · #6 06-09-2007, 02:00 AM

I punched in AA, KK, and AK into pokerstove and I'm a little less than 20%. I think if you figure in the chances of people doing this with hands OTHER than those three, or the chances of duplicate AK or something, I'm better than 20%. Doubt I'm actually good enough to call this though.

Nick C · #7 06-09-2007, 02:07 AM

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I'm not really getting 4:1 either, because CO didn't have a full stack.

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Hmm, yeah, I did the math wrong. You're getting more like 7:2.

I still don't really think it's an easy fold. You're going to have, like, 16 percent equity even if BB does have AA like we suspect (that's a really rough estimate, by the way -- I'm not sure what the exact figure is, since we could make a set and lose to someone other than BB). So if it turns out that you have the best hand and, say, 40 percent equity 1/4 of the time, then we're looking at about 22 percent equity on average. Which would make it close.

But I guess folding is probably best. I would have trouble doing it at the table, though, with QQ in such a big pot.

Nick C · #8 06-09-2007, 02:12 AM

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I punched in AA, KK, and AK into pokerstove and I'm a little less than 20%. I think if you figure in the chances of people doing this with hands OTHER than those three, or the chances of duplicate AK or something, I'm better than 20%. Doubt I'm actually good enough to call this though.

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Worse PPs are entirely possible for MP and CO (and, for a short-stack like CO, so is, like, AJo). Meanwhile, a worse PP or AK can't actually be ruled out for BB, but it does look to me like he's going to have AA/KK more often than anything else.