R. Wexler (D-FL) to introduce legislation exempting poker from UIGEA!!

[JMa]

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carve out for poker is easier to pass

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I'm not sure that's true.

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I am sure it is true.

Tuff

PS and, no, Party won't be coming back. Commerce/Bike/Harrah's online will be available though.

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would non-americans be able to play at those sites?

[vinyard]

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I am sure it is true.

Tuff

PS and, no, Party won't be coming back. Commerce/Bike/Harrah's online will be available though.

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[TheEngineer]

Wexler has just introduced H.R. 2610, the Skill Game Protection Act

Text at http://pokerplayersalliance.files.wo...er_final-2.pdf

Track at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2610

[TheEngineer]

No cosponsors listed yet. The bill has been referred to the following committees:

House Financial Services
House Judiciary
House Energy and Commerce

[1p0kerboy]

Engineer, have you read through the bill yet?

I noticed some parts about requiring "regulation" of the operators.

How does this compare to the Frank bill in your opinion?

[TheEngineer]

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Engineer, have you read through the bill yet?

I noticed some parts about requiring "regulation" of the operators.

How does this compare to the Frank bill in your opinion?

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It looks good. I think we can all get behind this AND IGREA. I hope everyone will remember that we're not strong enough to divide up our efforts in favor of one or the other.

My ten-minute analysis:

- The bill defines poker (and some other games) as a "game of skill". It provides a definition of skill that provides for chance factor caused by random nature of cards.

- "For some Americans, these games provide their primary source of income." Nice to have this text in the bill.

- Modifies the Wire Act to exempt skill games.

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Despite the fact that the language in section 1084 of title 18, United States Code, commonly referred to as the ‘‘Wire Act’’, has been interpreted by Federal courts as applying only to betting on sports, some in law enforcement interpret the section as prohibiting the acceptance of both sports and non-sports betting through a communications device.

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15 Section 1084 of title 18, United States Code, is
16 amended by adding at the end the following new sub
17 section: (f)
18 ‘‘(f) As used in this section, the term ‘bets or wagers’
19 does not include operating, or participation in, poker,
20 chess, bridge, mahjong or any other game where success
21 is predominantly determined by a player’s skill....

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- Feds "should take appropriate steps" to ensure that minors cannot play, compulsive gamblers are identified and referred to treatment, geographic location is verified, games not susceptible to use for money laundering, and appropriate taxes are collected.

- Games cannot be offered where prohibited by states. No governor "opt-out" provision. Rather, state law governs.

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Appropriate safeguards to ensure that the individual participant is physically located in a jurisdiction that does not bar participation in the particular Internet games of skill in which the individual participates at the time in the individual participates.

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[Legislurker]

As for getting behind something, maybe the general tone of contacting Congresspeople should be more general support. Stress things we want. We are NOT going to get one of these bills as written, UIGEA taught us that. This [censored] wont fly in the Senate, one senator has too much power, so this has to go through a joint committee on an important bill. We need to define a list of characteristics, though like everything in our for sale country, industry will write the regulations. Maybe a generic letter mentioning all three bills, with a list of good points from all of them, and some good natured support of the hard work on a politically tricky issue.

[TheEngineer]

So, what does the bill get us? Well, it explictly permits and regulates interstate and international "skill gambling", so we'll see advertising again, along with the other good stuff that comes with legal businesses. It also provides the national framework states need to license online poker sites in their own states (few if any states would be interested in licensing instate-only Internet poker). And, it provides a national definition for games of skill vs. games of chance with regards to poker.

It seems (at least to this non-lawyer) that states would have to specifically ban poker (either by name or by banning all skill gambling).

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16 (4) Games where success is predominantly de
17 termined by the skill of the players involved, as a
18 matter of law and of policy, are distinct from the
19 games of chance traditionally described and ad
20 dressed in Federal and State gambling statutes.

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States that now only ban games of chance may find it harder to ban poker now than they did 100 years ago when they passed the laws on the books today. It will be up to people like us to keep that from happening.

[sevencard2003]

having poker treated as a skill game is a whole lot more impt than barney franks bill. i could care less if all these damn online slots casinos went outta business. they are whats ruined it for the rest of us and gave gambling a bad name.

[briton]

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carve out for poker is easier to pass

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I'm not sure that's true.

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I am sure it is true.

Tuff

PS and, no, Party won't be coming back. Commerce/Bike/Harrah's online will be available though.

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It would suck if we only had American Casinos with just poker allowed.

Of course it may be better than nothing. But I want Crytos and Party back!! Not to mention Pinnacle. I would LOVE to get pinny back.

Cant ya imagine the rush of bonuses if all the sudden Americans where back in the game!

I dont mean to be picky, but damn... If we have a say what-so ever it would be nice to get a bill that our government will not be able to assrape us everyday. I pay taxes on my profits and that is bad enough! I wish they would quit F***ing with my personal rights!

Briton