$40 Bastards NLCASH

[Ellsworth T]

I play .5/1 HU on FTP and the games pretty much at any time are rife with half buy-in type players. I am sure if you play with any type of frequency you are encountering these type of players.

I believe there frequency is often enough that it would be extremely beneficial to come up with some good guidelines to playing against 40bbs. I'll offer a tip and it would be cool if we could keep adding a bunch.

TIP to 40ers #1

Our opening range is wide and many times we are not flopping a pair or even a draw. Against deeper opponents betting the flop usually takes it down and resistance is usually a sign to stop unless we see a tendency or hit nice on the turn. With short stacks like 40ers, the pf raise and bet has already committed 25% of their stack, and I have found an equal distribution it seems with their calling from bottom pair to Ace-Queen high on random flops.

The resolution is with our normal trash, consistently double barrel as these players don't like stacking with bottom pair or ace high and are likely only to continue with good middle pair or top pair, which is less likely to occur than them missing or having a gutshot or bottom pair.

Thoughts on this and other tips maybe such as bet sizes with strong hands etc, when to shove after half their stack is in etc would be awesome.

[MasterLJ]

I will limp the button vs short stacks in some cases. Short stackers are generally bad... and have bad tendencies. I don't think I could share a blanket statement on what or why that is, but you should be able to pick them up and adjust.

[Deewhizzle]

Sigh* right now i am one of these bastards. i would much rather a higher stakes game or at least buy in for the full amount, but some recent bad beats and terrible tilting have caused me to ration my roll a bit. if they had a lower stakes hu table i would go there but .5/1 is all we got. i spent about $200 bucks finding out how most of these regular ss players play, i found that with any pocket pair they push if they have 40 or less, and will call an all in push with almost any ace, all the way down to K-10. i generally try to play my normal game, but with 40bb its hard not to get your gamble on...

[MasterLJ]

You definitely have to adjust your pf range for calling AIs. Mine is essentially 88+, AT+ from the getgo and it increases/decreases depending on the player tendencies.

I've run into a significant amount (less than half though) of these short stackers that simply let you run over them. I get them to about 10-$15 and quit them as it's just not profitable to pay the rake to take their last $10. Of course, I offer them the chance to rebuy though.

[AbreuTime]

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I get them to about 10-$15 and quit them as it's just not profitable to pay the rake to take their last $10. Of course, I offer them the chance to rebuy though.

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That last $10 can often be difficult, and they often leave if they double (realizing they were clearly overmatched). I should sit out against them, because they often play closer to optimal with a 10bb stack.

[MasterLJ]

Side note: Keep in mind that small pocket pairs are bad to be AI with PF. Shortstacker's ranges are so huge that they will almost always have 2 overs, if not have you dominated. See a flop cheaply.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Side note: Keep in mind that small pocket pairs are bad to be AI with PF. Shortstacker's ranges are so huge that they will almost always have 2 overs, if not have you dominated. See a flop cheaply.

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LOL


66 v Top 20% of hands

Hand 0: 47.007% 46.57% 00.43% 1258408236 11733756.00 { 66 }
Hand 1: 52.993% 52.56% 00.43% 1420139964 11733756.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

66 v Top 35% of hands

Hand 0: 51.790% 51.39% 00.40% 2359813500 18573246.00 { 66 }
Hand 1: 48.210% 47.81% 00.40% 2195439336 18573246.00 { 55+, A2s+, K3s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A4o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

66 v Top 50% of hands

Hand 0: 54.840% 54.42% 00.42% 3494081136 27272700.00 { 66 }
Hand 1: 45.160% 44.74% 00.42% 2872513464 27272700.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }

[Novles]

yeah, but why would you wanna flip for his stack when you can just flop a set and stack him when he pushes with 2nd pair no kicker?

[MasterLJ]

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yeah, but why would you wanna flip for his stack when you can just flop a set and stack him when he pushes with 2nd pair no kicker?

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Not neccesarily just set value, but shorties will stack off with a lot of weird stuff.

Also, I think that 66+ is getting into mid-pocket pair territory. I see shorties push with A2-A5 a lot. I'd be slightly hesitant to call with 66-77, insta-calling with 88+, and folding 22-55 simply because his J7os might as well be AK.

When I wrote the post about small pp, to be honest I was originally referring to 22-77... 88+ is a no-brainer call, so Chuck, we are agreeing in the sense that mid pp are no brainer calls. I feel that small pp just have little to no value.

One thing I hate about shorties is when they double up off you (or more) and now you are playing with full buy-ins just to win $40 profit, less rake... so now you have to play hundreds of hands to make $20.