NL 50 - Trip Q Facing Strong Action on Flop

[tercet]

Im a tourny player still getting the hang of cash games. Any criticism would be appreciated.

Villian is 21.5/15.9/2.33 over 414

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($59.95)
UTG ($71.25)
MP ($86.40)
CO ($23.50)
Button ($24.45)
SB ($71.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $84.4</font>, Hero calls $47.95 (All-In).

Turn: ($146.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($146.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $146.60

[samwallistea]

Not crazy about calling raises with QJ OOP, judging from villians actions I would put him on either AA or KK, if he had say KQ/AQ he would probably put a smaller reraise in on flop, you cant really fold here, if he has got AQ/KQ youll have to just pay him off and just be thankful you both hit a boat for a split, and if he's got 88, be courteous when dishing out the bad beat.

[Atlanta Andrew]

Hi, thanks for posting this hand. I play a lot of NL50, and I will be the first to say that I have no idea what the correct decision is after villain goes all-in. Looking forward to others' responses...

-Andrew

[losingdonkey]

what is his range for doing this? QK,QA,88, and possibly KK and AA? I think it's a fold but I'd have trouble laying it down.

[quirkasaurus]

i put him on hitting a Q after he comes
over the top.

i don't like my kicker. i probably fold.

[friskyfleabag]

If you're calling PF with this, you shouldn't be folding if you flop a set.

[Chomp]

I fold preflop unless MP is getting really out of line: marginal hand that's easily dominated, OOP and we need to hit flop very hard to continue.

As played, I think 88 is villain's most likely holding here, but against his widest possible range (excluding Q8 which I can't put in his range):


Board: Qc 8d Qh
Hand 0: 40.003% { KK+, 88, AQs, KQs, QTs+, AQo, KQo, QTo+ }
Hand 1: 59.997% { QsJs }


But if we think villain is too smart to do this with KK/AA:


Board: Qc 8d Qh
Hand 0: 60.948% { 88, AQs, KQs, QTs+, AQo, KQo, QTo+ }
Hand 1: 39.052% { QsJs }


I don't really undersand combinatronics (Derosnec's your man for that!) but I think the fact 3 Q's are out there reduce the chance villain has the 4th, so the other hands {88, AA, KK} become more likely.

Anyway, I call (while not liking it very much) and suck out on villain's 88.

[jmgambler]

[ QUOTE ]
If you're calling PF with this, you shouldn't be folding if you flop a set.

[/ QUOTE ] ... sorry to be an ass but he flopped trips..big difference

[jmgambler]

I call these too sometimes against loose players *shrugs*

I would love this until the AI, ugh, I wish you hadn't posted the turn and river cards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I am tempted to fold the flop........ because there are 3 hands that crush us 88/AQ/KQ , nah I would probably call and keep my fingers crossed

[chipolino]

BTW no way in hell I'm folding this flop.
And I don't think calling with QJs PF there is bad either. remember people's raising range in 6max is really wide(especially NL50) We hit a good flop if he has a better Q so be it.
anyways here's the poker stove out put for him having the following range: KK+,JJ,88,Q8s+

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.103% 75.82% 03.28% 15763 682.50 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 20.897% 17.61% 03.28% 3662 682.50 { KK+, JJ, 88, Q8s+ }

whoever said they fold this must be totally insane (joking [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )