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06-06-2007, 12:35 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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[ QUOTE ] Newbie here but I would play the same, except I would have bet out on the flop. If raised on the river probably call and hope! [/ QUOTE ] Why would you donk the pre-flop raisor with tpwk when a large chunk of his range is going to have you dominated? What is your plan if you just get called by the pfr? Raised? [/ QUOTE ] If raised probably call and fold a turn bet UI. If called keep betting as the original post. I probably don't understand why a check raise here works better against a range that dominates the KT as opposed to betting out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] 
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#13
06-06-2007, 12:38 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Newbie here but I would play the same, except I would have bet out on the flop. If raised on the river probably call and hope! [/ QUOTE ] Why would you donk the pre-flop raisor with tpwk when a large chunk of his range is going to have you dominated? What is your plan if you just get called by the pfr? Raised? [/ QUOTE ] If raised probably call and fold a turn bet UI. If called keep betting as the original post. I probably don't understand why a check raise here works better against a range that dominates the KT as opposed to betting out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] He'll c-bet always. So you c/r his entire range - including AQ, 99 and everything else. That's good. If you donk, if he's good, he'll likely only continue when you're behind/ he's got at least a very decent draw. Donking singles you out vs. that part of his range that you don'T beat.
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#14
06-06-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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I think it looks good. My question is on the river though. What do you do if: 1) MP3 raises; Button calls 2) MP3 raises; Button folds 3) MP3 calls; Button raises Is the pot big enough to call these raises here? I think I let 1) and 3) go but call 2). This could all be leaks though. [/ QUOTE ] Is it bad form to ask additional questions in someone else's thread or is the answer to this just obvious to everyone but me?
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#15
06-06-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Newbie here but I would play the same, except I would have bet out on the flop. If raised on the river probably call and hope! [/ QUOTE ] Why would you donk the pre-flop raisor with tpwk when a large chunk of his range is going to have you dominated? What is your plan if you just get called by the pfr? Raised? [/ QUOTE ] If raised probably call and fold a turn bet UI. If called keep betting as the original post. I probably don't understand why a check raise here works better against a range that dominates the KT as opposed to betting out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] He'll c-bet always. So you c/r his entire range - including AQ, 99 and everything else. That's good. If you donk, if he's good, he'll likely only continue when you're behind/ he's got at least a very decent draw. Donking singles you out vs. that part of his range that you don'T beat. [/ QUOTE ] Excellent explanation thank you. I need to think more about what the villian would have if he calls you rather than just what he might have.
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#16
06-06-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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[ QUOTE ] I think it looks good. My question is on the river though. What do you do if: 1) MP3 raises; Button calls 2) MP3 raises; Button folds 3) MP3 calls; Button raises Is the pot big enough to call these raises here? I think I let 1) and 3) go but call 2). This could all be leaks though. [/ QUOTE ] Is it bad form to ask additional questions in someone else's thread or is the answer to this just obvious to everyone but me? [/ QUOTE ] not at all, these questions are why these forums exist. and this is why I hate bet/fold
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#17
06-06-2007, 02:34 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Newbie here but I would play the same, except I would have bet out on the flop. If raised on the river probably call and hope! [/ QUOTE ] Why would you donk the pre-flop raisor with tpwk when a large chunk of his range is going to have you dominated? What is your plan if you just get called by the pfr? Raised? [/ QUOTE ] If raised probably call and fold a turn bet UI. If called keep betting as the original post. I probably don't understand why a check raise here works better against a range that dominates the KT as opposed to betting out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] He'll c-bet always. So you c/r his entire range - including AQ, 99 and everything else. That's good. If you donk, if he's good, he'll likely only continue when you're behind/ he's got at least a very decent draw. Donking singles you out vs. that part of his range that you don'T beat. [/ QUOTE ] Good point, I was wondering why he should check-raise when it doesn't protect his hand, with a preflop raiser in mp2.
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#19
06-06-2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: too aggressive?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think it looks good. My question is on the river though. What do you do if: 1) MP3 raises; Button calls 2) MP3 raises; Button folds 3) MP3 calls; Button raises Is the pot big enough to call these raises here? I think I let 1) and 3) go but call 2). This could all be leaks though. [/ QUOTE ] Is it bad form to ask additional questions in someone else's thread or is the answer to this just obvious to everyone but me? [/ QUOTE ] not at all, these questions are why these forums exist. and this is why I hate bet/fold [/ QUOTE ] C'mon, Buzz, seriously...are these decisions MORE difficult than what to do if you check and: 1) MP3 bets; Button calls 2) MP3 bets; Button folds 3) MP3 checks; Button bets I'd say that any of the 3 scenarios we have to deal with are easier than 1 & 3 above. 2 above is probably the easiest of all, but we don't play poker for a 1 in 6 chance of an easy play, do we? (Not to mention what you'll do to your cat when the river checks through and you get shown QQ and AdTx.)
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