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strega100 · #1 06-04-2007, 11:45 AM

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... everyone is sooooooooooooo bad... they like go all in with under pairs and a FD on like 987 board..

is this standard or are my games really soft?

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Having played Omaha high for 2 years now i learned some things:

looseness and aggressiveness vary dramatically on different sites. Noblepoker seems soft to me whereas Poco loco for example has a lot of lunatics calling, betting and raising alot. Sites with lots of European players are imo harder to beat. For the difficulties in Omaha: i totally agree with luckyjimm. These are the spots where a alot of money is made or burned.

luckyjimm · #2 06-04-2007, 12:34 PM

Better players will make marginal calls. I had a cautionary experience a few weeks ago. I sat at $5/$10 on Party with $500, a limit I'd never played before, and the very first hand I was dealt Icalled a raise preflop by a player with a $2500 stack. My hand contained the K of diamonds. The flop came AJ4, three diamonds. I repotted my opponent's continuation bet; he called. I bet the turn for most of my stack, sure that he couldn't have the nut flush and I was showing enormous strength. He re-raised me for my last $40 dollars. I called, knowing I was dead. He had raised me with an 8-high flush!!! Yes, it was good, and I was bust on my first hand.

donkeykong2 · #3 06-04-2007, 01:50 PM

yeah, that s a pretty interesting spot. you are actually more likely to have the lone king here than the king high flush supposed you play both hands the same way.

Grandezza · #4 06-04-2007, 03:19 PM

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yeah, that s a pretty interesting spot. you are actually more likely to have the lone king here than the king high flush supposed you play both hands the same way.

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O RLY?

fees · #5 06-04-2007, 03:50 PM

jimm, i think you should probably raise the turn there but thats just me..

I definitly understand theres insane variance in this game.. but like I can roll with that.. my EV has to be higher than it is in holdem.. look at this [censored] plz

Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($237)
MP ($244.80)
CO ($256.50)
Button ($120.90)
SB ($415.15)
Hero ($200)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $10, MP folds, Button calls $10, SB folds.

Flop: ($40) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30, Button calls $30.

Turn: ($130) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $130, UTG calls $130, Button calls $78.90 (All-In).

River: ($468.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $28 (All-In), UTG calls $28.

Final Pot: $524.90

Button has Jd Tc 9d 2d (one pair, tens).
Hero has 6s 8d 7c 8s (three of a kind, eights).

Outcome: Hero wins $524.90. 

explain

pooflingerr · #6 06-04-2007, 03:55 PM

Granted Im only at $50PLO but I have trouble bluffing the flush with the Ad on a 3 flush board. It's all good though, I just stopped bluffing and started value betting the hell outta my hands. I will run the bluff-line on a decent player which there are at this level but there are many more nits and calling stations.

sc000t · #7 06-04-2007, 05:28 PM

Bluffing at 50plo is probably a bad idea in most cases. You'll get a ton of crying calls with small flushes and other junk that it really wont work enough imo, to profit vs the average player at that level. Granted, there are some players where it does work, but you need to have specific reads on those players and know that THEY KNOW their hand is vunrable and also have the ability to fold second best hands and such.

luckyjimm · #8 06-04-2007, 06:43 PM

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jimm, i think you should probably raise the turn there but thats just me..

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I was first to act, so I potted the turn having check-raised the flop with my nut flush bluff. In reality, considering stack sizes and that he was obviously going to call with a bad flush or a set, I should have check-folded.

Sorry for low content but I am really angry with Omaha right now. Just had a terrible session: every time I flop top set, they get it in with a lousy flush draw and suck out. Every time I flop the NFD + wrap, we get it in and their set holds up. Just so sick; I just can't win, however many outs I have, or however hard I hit a flop. If I flop two pair and try to crack aces, I get counterfeited on the river. I just lose, lose, lose, despite having played the game non-stop for a year and a half, studying the game, understanding the mathematics etc. I am losing to idiots again and again, people who don't know what they're doing, and again and again Full Tilt rewards them. I don't see how anyone can be a long-term winner at a game with such sick variance.

PLOlover · #9 06-04-2007, 09:40 PM

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Sorry for low content but I am really angry with Omaha right now. Just had a terrible session: every time I flop top set, they get it in with a lousy flush draw and suck out. Every time I flop the NFD + wrap, we get it in and their set holds up. Just so sick; I just can't win, however many outs I have, or however hard I hit a flop. If I flop two pair and try to crack aces, I get counterfeited on the river. I just lose, lose, lose, despite having played the game non-stop for a year and a half, studying the game, understanding the mathematics etc. I am losing to idiots again and again, people who don't know what they're doing, and again and again Full Tilt rewards them. I don't see how anyone can be a long-term winner at a game with such sick variance.

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switch sites, maybe people are sharing hole cards against you?