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#41
06-04-2007, 07:20 AM
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Re: The connection between a spiritual experience and a certain religi
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My example was saying that various people are trying to reach the same God. But, there are Religions that aren't pointing to this God. [/ QUOTE ] How can you say that there are religions who aren't pointing to this god? You agreed that all spiritual experiences are subjective. You agreed that the environment that we live in is a huge factor in determining our religion. So, if people around the world have had subjective spiritual experiences and around these experiences religions have evolved including all the dogmas, how can you say that some religions can't point to the same God? You feel some of their dogmas are incorrect. They feel the dogmas are correct. You believe A, they believe B. Why can't the source of these religions be the same and why it isn't possible that they're pointing to the same mysterious force called God in different subjective ways? 
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#42
06-04-2007, 08:09 AM
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Re: The connection between a spiritual experience and a certain religi
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This is what Faith is all about for me, I act 'as if I believed' the bible were absolutely true, but I don't have reason to 'believe' with 100% assurance that it is all 100% correct. [/ QUOTE ] You are a total nut and in danger of becoming a psychopath. My advice is to seek psychological help before it is too late, especially if you don't think you need it!
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#43
06-04-2007, 08:18 AM
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Re: The connection between a spiritual experience and a certain religi
Religions describe the character of God differently.
I believe the bible describes God accurately. So other religions describe God innacurately, which means they're not pointing to the same God as Christianity.
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#45
06-04-2007, 08:22 AM
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Religions describe the character of God differently. I believe the bible describes God accurately. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, you are right, the bible describe god as vengeful, jealous, angry etc... it also describe jesus as a road (or temple) rager, a killer of animals etc... all things that would warrant incarceration.
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#47
06-04-2007, 09:15 AM
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Re: The connection between a spiritual experience and a certain religi
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Religions describe the character of God differently. I believe the bible describes God accurately. So other religions describe God innacurately, which means they're not pointing to the same God as Christianity. [/ QUOTE ] We get to the exact point of my post. Do you have any rational logic behind it that you believe the God of the Bible is correct? The fact that you have a strong belief it is so doesn't change the fact that other people strongly belief that their God is correct too. Isn't it possible that neither of those gods is any more correct? Isn't it possible that those both subjective interpretations of God are equally correct (or wrong)? The ultimate point: You feel the God of the Bible is an accurate description of God (or more accurate than the rest of the religions). Can you accept a claim that even though you have a strong conviction that your God is correct other people have as strong convictions too and that both of these convictions are subjective, personal and objectively equally correct? Your God is the right God for you, his God is the right God for him. Those are your subjective views. Can you say that you don't believe your God is the universally correct one but that it is a God that you personally have a reason to believe in?
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#48
06-04-2007, 09:53 AM
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We get to the exact point of my post. Do you have any rational logic behind it that you believe the God of the Bible is correct? [/ QUOTE ] I tried to answer this one up front.. [ QUOTE ] Isn't it possible that those both subjective interpretations of God are equally correct (or wrong)? [/ QUOTE ] It's possible they're both wrong, it's not possible they're both right. [ QUOTE ] Your God is the right God for you, his God is the right God for him. [/ QUOTE ] No. we are talking about the true God(if such a thing exists), 'his god is right for him' is a joke. [ QUOTE ] Can you say that you don't believe your God is the universally correct one but that it is a God that you personally have a reason to believe in? [/ QUOTE ] leading the witness, your honour.. No I can't say that.
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#49
06-04-2007, 10:23 AM
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Re: The connection between a spiritual experience and a certain religi
Ok, so you do believe that your God, a certain version of the Christian God of the Bible is the most accurate version of the true God that there is.
Thanks for your response. I find it remarkable that people can draw these kinds of conclusions even though they admit that people have subjective spiritual experiences. It's as if my experience is the most correct one and the others are incorrect. This kind of universalization of ones subjective view is stunning.
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#50
06-04-2007, 10:29 AM
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Thanks for your response. [/ QUOTE ]You're welcome, just be sure to take what I say with a grain of salt.. [ QUOTE ] This kind of universalization of ones subjective view is stunning. [/ QUOTE ] While this is correct, I feel it's a little mis-leading.. It's clear to me that people believe to be true, what they believe to be true.. Is that really all that stunning? I believe my subjective experience gives me insight into the 'real world' Is your point that subjective experiences should not give any insight into the 'real world'?
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