middle pair + gutshot = bet the turn?

[campi]

Hey guys, good to play/post/be here again.

2/4 5max loose fishy PR-game. BB is a calling station, loose and unbluffable, 50/1/1.1 (~150 hands). No reads on the other guy.

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3BB, 3 players)
hero checks, BB checks, CO checks.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3BB, 3 players)
hero checks, BB checks, CO checks.

Results:
Final pot: 3BB

What do you think, how much value can I gain by betting the turn? What about the river?

edit says: oops.. my gutshot is actually an open-ender

[HenkvanderMast]

I certainly bet the turn. If both called check the river.
If only the BB calls, I would bet the river too.

If I checked the turn I would bet the river.
BB is probably calling with high cards, small pockets or with a pair of 7's or 8's. I think it's for value.

I have a habit of being very aggro in a 6-max game so maybe I'm giving you very bad advice.

[campi]

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I have a habit of being very aggro in a 6-max game so maybe I'm giving you very bad advice.

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I was playing the same way a few months ago(see this), but I've definitely calmed down a bit after entering this fishpond. But lets say you decide to check the turn, would you still bet the river against 2?

[Oink]

Very easy bet/call on the turn and its not ever close to being a c/c.

So many worse hands will call and if you get raised you have a good redraw. Betbetbetbetbetbet

[HenkvanderMast]

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I have a habit of being very aggro in a 6-max game so maybe I'm giving you very bad advice.

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I was playing the same way a few months ago(see this), but I've definitely calmed down a bit after entering this fishpond. But lets say you decide to check the turn, would you still bet the river against 2?

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Without a read, yes.
I think they both have a low pair and if they would call they're hoping you are bluffing A high.

But maybe I'm a habitual opponent underestimater. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Neku]

Habitual underestimater here, too.

I would definitely bet the turn. And the river. Oh, yeah. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Nemesis69]

Bet the turn. You're openended and you have middle pair. The only scary card is hart maybe. Check the river, don't bet it for value.

[bozlax]

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2/4 5max loose fishy PR-game. BB is a calling station, loose and unbluffable, 50/1/1.1 (~150 hands). No reads on the other guy.

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...but it's not a stretch to figure he's loose and fishy, too.

Bet until somebody tells you to stop betting and then fold. LDO

[TarHeel100]

I'm betting the turn here. You have no reason to believe you are behind and even if you are, you still have some outs to get ahead.

You have to charge people that are on flush draws and value bet people that are on slim draws like an overcard. CO could be holding an Ace or a King and be ready to fold to a larger turn bet. If BB has an overcard and is drawing slim, then punish him.

[unterfish]

Actually, I think you gain more value by checking the flop and playing the turn aggressively, if no scare-card arrives.
Your opponents seem totally passive. So bet the turn, check/call the flop IMHO.

Edit: Ok, your opponent is a calling station. So why dont you bet the turn? This play is absolutely passive. You have something at least: bet it at least! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
IMHO, this play is way too passive at 6max.