NL200 - KK - Maximizing Value

pterodactyl_ · #1 06-03-2007, 01:48 PM

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($474.00)
UTG ($167.00)
UTG+1 ($151.66)
MP1 ($220.50)
Hero ($426.50)
MP3 ($172.00)
CO ($199.50)
Button ($255.50)
SB ($230.00)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, MP3 calls $10, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $8.

Flop: ($33) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $28, MP3 calls $28, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($89) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($89) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $77

Villain is 28/5 over 60 hands.

Do you guys like a stackadonk line here (i.e. lead flop and CRAI on turn)? I thought checking the turn was best to either c/r or to get extra value from mid PP on the river. You guys like it or would you prefer to just lead the turn?

bottomset · #2 06-03-2007, 02:20 PM

I tend to bet bet bet 28/5 without a read they are aggro

tend to watch the turn check way too often

pterodactyl_ · #3 06-03-2007, 02:29 PM

I was thinking I'd get the best of both worlds with a check. If he takes a stab I get to CRAI but if he doesnt its still good becuase i should be able to extract more value from a mid pair on the river so I wasnt too concerned about him checking.

I figured both of these options were better than leading into him with a decent bet when he probably has a vulnerable hand and the Q may be a scare card for him (which could have easily hit my AQ/KQ that c-bet a whiffed flop).

Just my thought process.

bottomset · #4 06-03-2007, 02:33 PM

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I was thinking I'd get the best of both worlds with a check. If he takes a stab I get to CRAI but if he doesnt its still good becuase i should be able to extract more value from a mid pair on the river so I wasnt too concerned about him checking.

I figured both of these options were better than leading into him with a decent bet when he probably has a vulnerable hand and the Q may be a scare card for him (which could have easily hit my AQ/KQ that c-bet a whiffed flop).

Just my thought process.

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I understand all that, its just in my experience and I'm stubborn/greedy too, they just check the turn time after time

call the river and have a hand they'd call 2bets with and I get mad for not betting

Raised2Win · #5 06-03-2007, 04:31 PM

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I was thinking I'd get the best of both worlds with a check. If he takes a stab I get to CRAI but if he doesnt its still good becuase i should be able to extract more value from a mid pair on the river so I wasnt too concerned about him checking.

I figured both of these options were better than leading into him with a decent bet when he probably has a vulnerable hand and the Q may be a scare card for him (which could have easily hit my AQ/KQ that c-bet a whiffed flop).

Just my thought process.

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Q isnt the best card for stack a donk here IMO. I would just normally lead here again hoping he thinks im just using that Q as a scarecard. Also with stack a donk line u are commiting yourself on turn which isnt terrible but I would like an option to maybe get away sometimes on turn.

I Like your river bet.

Johnes Benjamin · #6 06-03-2007, 04:51 PM

I think the line isn't bad but I'd prefer to bet turn and then put a smallish valuebet on the river. Once he's called turn he's very unlikely to fold river to another bet that looks like you are slowing down

Roger Mainfield · #7 06-03-2007, 09:46 PM

I like it, I would need more of a read to bet the turn too. Also if you had a crazy image you could bet the turn.

Smart Money · #8 06-04-2007, 06:30 AM

Playing that way is fine. It can also save you money (although easier with position) if you're up against a flopped set.