QQ overpair deep, 100 NL

SixBillionMarks · #1 06-03-2007, 09:18 PM

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00)
Seat 1: ChuckC3 ($97.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($135.25 in chips)
Seat 3: 0hN0ThePr0 ($42.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Monarch44 ($109.75 in chips)
Seat 5: jmoney10587 ($164.15 in chips)
Seat 6: MMAuctions ($129.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Guelqwen ($98.45 in chips)
Seat 8: HOOSIERS#1 ($96.80 in chips)
Seat 9: CrazyRayD ($25.45 in chips)
Guelqwen: posts small blind $0.50
HOOSIERS#1: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qh Qd]
CrazyRayD: folds
ChuckC3: folds
Hero: raises $2 to $3
0hN0ThePr0: folds
Monarch44: folds
jmoney10587: raises $10 to $13
MMAuctions: folds
Guelqwen: folds
HOOSIERS#1: folds
Hero: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Td Tc 4c]
Hero: checks
jmoney10587: bets $17
Hero: calls $17
*** TURN *** [Td Tc 4c] [2c]
Hero: checks
jmoney10587: bets $35
Hero: calls $35
*** RIVER *** [Td Tc 4c 2c] [8h]
Hero: checks
jmoney10587: bets $99.15 and is all-in
Hero: folds
jmoney10587 collected $128.50 from pot
jmoney10587: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $131.50 | Rake $3
Board [Td Tc 4c 2c 8h]
Seat 1: ChuckC3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hero folded on the River
Seat 3: 0hN0ThePr0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Monarch44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jmoney10587 collected ($128.50)
Seat 6: MMAuctions (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Guelqwen (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: HOOSIERS#1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: CrazyRayD folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I'm completely and totally clueless here, deer in headlights

I feel like I misplayed every street

I kept expecting him to check and he never did

My only read is that he was tight preflop and playing multiple tables, and hadn't won a pot in a while at the table this hand took place at

After this hand finished, he left the table without even finishing his round out, which makes me feel like he played AK or JJ like this for some reason

QQ overpairs just frustrate the hell out of me in fullring

Am I crazy for wanting to just set-hunt with them in reraised pots with 75bb+ active stacks??

Help mmmeeee

SixBillionMarks · #2 06-03-2007, 11:22 PM

bump

SixBillionMarks · #3 06-04-2007, 01:01 AM

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $98.45
BB: $96.80
UTG: $25.45
UTG+1: $97.05
Hero (MP1): $135.25
MP2: $42.20
MP3: $109.75
CO: $164.15
BTN: $129.20

Reads: Almost none... he hadn't taken a lot of pots down recently, only won like 1 pot in the last 30 hands, running at 16/12/4 over a 193-hand sample

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, 2 folds, CO raises to $13.00, 3 folds, Hero calls $10.00

Flop: ($27.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $17.00, Hero calls $17.00

Turn: ($61.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $35.00, Hero calls $35.00

River: ($131.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets all-in for $99.15, Hero folds

Pot Size: $230.65 ($3 Rake)

Casper05 · #4 06-04-2007, 01:06 AM

fold or push the turn.

SixBillionMarks · #5 06-04-2007, 01:22 AM

So what I'm looking to do with QQ overpairs in fullring is find the cheapest line I can use to figure out if there's a high probability of him holding AA/KK?

You think the cheapest way to do that after calling his preflop reraise, is to check/call flop and check turn?

Do you mean to frontpush the turn, or to checkpush it? Because if I checkpush he might find a call even with AK with a club, especially if he bets more than the $35 he did this time

I really really don't expect my queens to be the best hand after he bets the turn, with no recent aggressive history from the guy. Players at this limit rarely make big bluffs like that (and they would consider anything less than KK a bluff)

Blah I really screwed this hand up...

What about as-played after his river push? After butchering the turn like that do you think there's any chance I have better than 25% equity?

What if I knew he was finishing his session out and saw that he already left a few of his other tables?

FGators · #6 06-04-2007, 02:14 AM

I might lead the flop...as played without a read I guess I begrudingly fold the turn. If Im calling turn im calling a river push, but that doesn't mean I call the turn here.

SixBillionMarks · #7 06-04-2007, 02:47 AM

What about check-raising the flop and check-folding if he puts any more cash in?

Check-raising purely as a bluff with the tiny bonus of the small chance he would flat call and then check a losing hand down to the river

I think he'd standardly fold JJ and AK to the check-raise, he doesn't really strike me as the kind of player that would reraise anything but JJ/QQ/KK/AA/AK preflop though, maybe not even JJ. We were playing each other at 2 or 3 tables for 4 hours, I had a PFR over 10%, and that's the only time he ever reraised me preflop

Getting it all-in on the flop seems like suicide to me, if it were on him to call off to an all-in he'd definitely fold everything I beat, and call with everything I'm dominated by... and calling off to an all-in with 130bb active stacks with just QQ overpair seems equally insane to me, even with the paired flop, I would be thinking there's like a 5% chance he's shoving with JJ or AK, and a 95% chance he's shoving with KK or AA or a random ten