A question for a Pro, Please take the time to answer

[El_Hombre_Grande]

To say that 150,000 hand is not nearly enough is a stretch. I agree that with such a small winrate he may conceivable be a losing player, but I think we could draw some pretty solid conclusions from the data. In fact, I would go more than 10,000 hands without reviewing where I'm at and whether it suggests a leak or two. He certainly isn't terrible, and could become a solid winner with minor adjustments, right?

The data suggests that he is not winning enough from the hijack,cutoff, and button. That probably means either not stealing enough or more likely, a leak with respect to using position to his advantage.

[headofmike]

well. He's not far off the mark from being a solid winner. Online games are tough. I would consider 2bb/100 impossible in todays online environment. There is just not a lot of dead money on the table. I think .50-1./100 is a more realistic figure. 150,000 hands isn't enough to give you you're exact winrate but what is? It's enough to say for certain that you're a winner. You might be winning slightly more or less, but not enough to make you a loser or even break even. Also at this point table selection is everything. If you want your winrate to go up take the time to find the softest games you can.

[Vadim_Aliyev]

Thank you so much for all the replies and advice.

Saying you cant make 2BB/100 online is not all together true, when i was playing 50cent/$1 games I worked my whole bank roll up from there and was making around 2.6 BB/100 hands. I had over 250,000 hands played at that level. Unfortunatly i deleted the whole database to speed up my computer and Poker Tracker when i moved up to 2/4 and since i was making 2+ BB/100 hands i considered my self a pro and didnt bother digging very deep into poker tracker statistics (sigh....). Obviously the games at .5/1 were very soft and easy But if i dont find flaws and leaks in my 2/4 game and fix them it would be more profitable for me to play at .5/1 and i cant make a career out of that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] (unless i play 24 tables at a time, lol)

El_Hombre_grande, what would u say is a good winrate from Cutoff and Hijack positions?

Thanks

[drzen]

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Thank you so much for all the replies and advice.

Saying you cant make 2BB/100 online is not all together true, when i was playing 50cent/$1 games I worked my whole bank roll up from there and was making around 2.6 BB/100 hands.

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It has become tougher though.

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I had over 250,000 hands played at that level. Unfortunatly i deleted the whole database to speed up my computer and Poker Tracker when i moved up to 2/4 and since i was making 2+ BB/100 hands i considered my self a pro

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LOL.

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and didnt bother digging very deep into poker tracker statistics (sigh....).

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Clearly, because you haven't given stats here that are any help in telling how you're going.

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Obviously the games at .5/1 were very soft and easy But if i dont find flaws and leaks in my 2/4 game and fix them it would be more profitable for me to play at .5/1 and i cant make a career out of that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] (unless i play 24 tables at a time, lol)

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What are your basic stats (VPIP/PFR/AF)? What's your stat for blind stealing/defence?

What's your NL game like?

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El_Hombre_grande, what would u say is a good winrate from Cutoff and Hijack positions?

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It would make more sense to ask whether your game is right in those positions.

What's your VPIP from the CO? How often do you raise?

[El_Hombre_Grande]

I agree with drzen. The point is that most of your profits come from the button- hijack, but you can't just look at winrate and conclude anything other than to say what I have-- that I would expect a better winrate in very late position from a winning player. It is very much (I think) too much a function of other issues, such as VPIP, PFR and AF to say much without knowing how your playing. There are many posts on here that go in detail about VPIP, PFR, and AF should look like overall. Simply put, you should be stealing a lot and raising a lot with a wide variety of hands in late position, and then adjusting to the characteristics of your foes from there. Make sure you are playing the right way, and then go from there in terms of winrate.