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I see vs. I call
The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Re: I see vs. I call
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The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling. I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days. |
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Re: I see vs. I call
i agree... 'see' is an outdated term and the only binding words are check, raise, call, fold, all-in
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Re: I see vs. I call
What was the guy betting with... pieces of eight? Doubloons?
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Re: I see vs. I call
Haha..yeah, he might have been using stone tablets instead of plastic cards. I have heard 'I'll see it' on occasion, but thats just in calling...and usually a loose call to boot.
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Re: I see vs. I call
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[ QUOTE ] The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling. I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days. [/ QUOTE ] But, it is an angle shoot because it's actually 2 actions. I see AND then I raise xxx. "See" did = "call" back in the day but when what we refer to as string bets were allowed. IMO, anything that is followed by "...and raise" is a string bet. |
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Re: I see vs. I call
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling. I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days. [/ QUOTE ] But, it is an angle shoot because it's actually 2 actions. I see AND then I raise xxx. "See" did = "call" back in the day but when what we refer to as string bets were allowed. IMO, anything that is followed by "...and raise" is a string bet. [/ QUOTE ] I think you misunderstood me, I was told that see actually means your going to raise, but the amount of the raise will be determined in the second part of the statement - which means its not a string bet. It would be the same thing as saying raise, putting out the called amount, then pushing out the raised amount - which is a legal action. So if the bet is $50 and you raise to $100 your putting in $100. But if the guy says I see your bet, and raise $50 its the same thing - and is not considered a string since there is an intention to define the raise in the next part of the statement. I hope this is a better explanation. Again I want to preface I learned this ages ago, and I might not have it right. This is all coming from very hazy memory. I hope RR is around and can jump in, this is his specialty. |
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Re: I see vs. I call
sounds about right TT...
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sounds about right TT... [/ QUOTE ] LOL, sounds right... but that doesn't mean it necessarily is. I really think this is a ruling that could change quite often. |
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Re: I see vs. I call
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me? [/ QUOTE ] I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling. I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days. [/ QUOTE ] But, it is an angle shoot because it's actually 2 actions. I see AND then I raise xxx. "See" did = "call" back in the day but when what we refer to as string bets were allowed. IMO, anything that is followed by "...and raise" is a string bet. [/ QUOTE ] I think you misunderstood me, I was told that see actually means your going to raise, but the amount of the raise will be determined in the second part of the statement - which means its not a string bet. It would be the same thing as saying raise, putting out the called amount, then pushing out the raised amount - which is a legal action. So if the bet is $50 and you raise to $100 your putting in $100. But if the guy says I see your bet, and raise $50 its the same thing - and is not considered a string since there is an intention to define the raise in the next part of the statement. I hope this is a better explanation. Again I want to preface I learned this ages ago, and I might not have it right. This is all coming from very hazy memory. I hope RR is around and can jump in, this is his specialty. [/ QUOTE ] I understood you but my point was that in today's rooms this should be considered an angle shoot regardless of what the original meaning was years ago. |
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