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Old 06-01-2007, 12:12 PM
CazicT CazicT is offline
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Default NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

Not enough PT hands for a read on the villian.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($23.75)
BB ($17.80)
UTG ($5.05)
UTG+1 ($25.30)
MP1 ($22)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($14.75)</font>
MP3 ($22.25)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($25)</font>
Button ($16)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.5</font>, Button folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($3.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $1.6</font>, Hero...
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:22 PM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

Don't make pussy bets on the flop.

Bet $1 if you are going to bet. I think betting and checking are both ok.

I don't raise the river without a read.
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

I actually would make a healthy raise for value. I don't think he has a higher straight or he would probably have bet the turn. For that reason, I would also call a push to your raise.

I would bet more on the flop, probably about 3/4 of the pot.
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:27 PM
zman2245 zman2245 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

I would raise smallish to somewhere between $3.20 and $4. I think villain will feel pot committed and call you with sets, various 2 pair hands, and maybe even medium pps. The only hand that beats you is 78.
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:28 PM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

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The only hand that beats you is 78.

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73.
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Old 06-01-2007, 12:31 PM
Gordon Scott Gordon Scott is offline
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

I make it $5ish to go and no deeper than Mp2 is I call a push.

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Old 06-01-2007, 12:37 PM
zman2245 zman2245 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

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The only hand that beats you is 78.

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73.

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Yeah sure but 73 is MUCH less likely than any of the other hands I've listed, given that villain had to limp in PF. I concede that some players at these levels will limp with any two suited. But even if we assume villain will always limp with any two suited there are only 4 combos of 73s.
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Old 06-01-2007, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

Fold preflop.
Bet $1 on flop.

As played, raise to $5 on river.
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Old 06-01-2007, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

why don't we shove to push out another 3?

rarely are we losing, once in a while another 3 will fold, most of the time we pay some rake but get some call equity on our pushes with the nuts
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Old 06-01-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: NL25 Value raise on river with idiot\'s end?

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why don't we shove to push out another 3?

rarely are we losing, once in a while another 3 will fold, most of the time we pay some rake but get some call equity on our pushes with the nuts

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3x isn't folding to a shove.

I like putting in a small raise tbh.
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