Lindsay Lohan and Rehab

[Thug Bubbles]

I've always thought that if a close friend or family member was going through such issues, and if i had the money, I would simply take them to a remote location for three or four months. A location that was naturally beautiful, and have them stay within a comfortable two bedroom house.

All these rehab places are a joke because they're merely resorts with limp-wristed counseling (from an outsiders opinion, i guess i should say). I understand there are health ramifications with a cold turkey method, but I think most cases would do just fine.

Think "Trainspotting". Keep them in a basic room, with books they like and a full bathroom. Constantly watch them for a week or so, then open the rest of the house to them with even more amenities (better meals, more entertainment, and more room to lounge), after another week bring them outside to enjoy nature (hiking, swimming, fishing, etc.)

Ultimately, her parents are pretty ridiculous (i hear they have serious problems in their own right) and deserve as much vitriol as Lindsay is getting.

[BigRedDog33]

Going cold Turkey can be dangerous from a health view. Cocain withdrawl can send you body into shock which is why they use meds to keep your BP stable. As far taking someone away, that will flush out their system but will not help them stay clean. Useually there are underlying reasons someone ends up a junkie and a drunck. Until someone looks at why they use or drink they will tend to fkeep going back to it.
I had a real nasty coke/booze/everything and anything habit and ended up in rehab for 28 days (standard duration). After detoxing and clearing my mind out I was able to deal with somethings in my life I needed to deal with and really look at what I had become. Most of us do not get a chance to drop out of life for 28 days and really look at where we are, rehab gave me the chance to do this and 9 years later still clean and sober. Now if i could just get rid of the habit of donking off chips I would be all set.

[Blarg]

Not to make more of your little joke than necessary, but I agree that drugs/booze are usually done to address a problem, and until that problem is figured out and people can live with it, they'll keep trying to escape it with drugs/booze/gambling, whatever. Some people just go from one addiction to another, the underlying problem being a need to get through the day by resorting to something whose byproducts are addiction rather than any specific drug or habit itself.

[BigRedDog33]

This is only for myself as far as drug/gambling i have never found the two to relate. I play BJ, craps and other table games on rare occassions but the juice people get from it has never been there for me. I enjoy poker becasue of the thought, skill and strategy involved. With drugs i was into the stuff that got you revved up so you would think the two would coincide, but not for me. The chip thing was a throw away joke, althoguh prooable a bad place to use it inregards to the context of the post.

[Blarg]

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This is only for myself as far as drug/gambling i have never found the two to relate. I play BJ, craps and other table games on rare occassions but the juice people get from it has never been there for me. I enjoy poker becasue of the thought, skill and strategy involved. With drugs i was into the stuff that got you revved up so you would think the two would coincide, but not for me. The chip thing was a throw away joke, althoguh prooable a bad place to use it inregards to the context of the post.

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Look at some of the writing about gambling, and it's an addictive behavior that fulfills the same kind of needs other addictive behavior fills.

[Enrique]

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I've always thought that if a close friend or family member was going through such issues, and if i had the money, I would simply take them to a remote location for three or four months. A location that was naturally beautiful, and have them stay within a comfortable two bedroom house.

All these rehab places are a joke because they're merely resorts with limp-wristed counseling (from an outsiders opinion, i guess i should say). I understand there are health ramifications with a cold turkey method, but I think most cases would do just fine.

Think "Trainspotting". Keep them in a basic room, with books they like and a full bathroom. Constantly watch them for a week or so, then open the rest of the house to them with even more amenities (better meals, more entertainment, and more room to lounge), after another week bring them outside to enjoy nature (hiking, swimming, fishing, etc.)

Ultimately, her parents are pretty ridiculous (i hear they have serious problems in their own right) and deserve as much vitriol as Lindsay is getting.

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It seems that sometimes turning your back on a friend can be more helpful for recovery. If you're always there for them, they know that you will get them out of any problem, hence they don't care about rehab, but if you turn your back, they feel bad about losing a great friend and try harder at rehab. At least that's what happened with Jason Mewes (Kevin Smith's friend) according to Kevin Smith's blog. Of course this sort of thing probably depends on the people (like for some this technique wouldn't work).

[katyseagull]

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Ultimately, her parents are pretty ridiculous (i hear they have serious problems in their own right) and deserve as much vitriol as Lindsay is getting.

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Her dad seems like a loose canon. But can we blame the parents for the antics of a 20 yr old? I'm not sure about this.

I always thought the same way as you, that if I had a close family member who was an addict I would take them far away to a beautiful island and just remove them from their situation. But then I read up on rehab and I now see how this approach might fail to address some important points.

From what I read, one of the main components of rehab is sharing your story with other addicts. The more you hear other addicts talk about their problem, the more you see how you resemble that person and hopefully your eyes will be opened.

Some common goals listed for rehab are - identifying your "triggers", learning coping skills, setting your own personal goals and learning how to identify positive healthy people to surround yourself with. These all seem like worthy goals. Now how talented the people are at the rehab clinics is another question.

[Shadowrun]

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Ultimately, her parents are pretty ridiculous (i hear they have serious problems in their own right) and deserve as much vitriol as Lindsay is getting.

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Her dad seems like a loose canon. But can we blame the parents for the antics of a 20 yr old? I'm not sure about this.

I always thought the same way as you, that if I had a close family member who was an addict I would take them far away to a beautiful island and just remove them from their situation. But then I read up on rehab and I now see how this approach might fail to address some important points.

From what I read, one of the main components of rehab is sharing your story with other addicts. The more you hear other addicts talk about their problem, the more you see how you resemble that person and hopefully your eyes will be opened.

Some common goals listed for rehab are - identifying your "triggers", learning coping skills, setting your own personal goals and learning how to identify positive healthy people to surround yourself with. These all seem like worthy goals. Now how talented the people are at the rehab clinics is another question.

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Her mom is also pretty crazy, you dont have a normal mother/daughter social dynamic when the mother is living off the daughter. Also add the fact that the daughter is living the mothers dream and that the mother introduces herself as Lindsay friend often times, and you have a glimpse of the wacky family this is.

The dad is messed up too.

[Sniper]

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I've always thought that if a close friend or family member was going through such issues, and if i had the money, I would simply take them to a remote location for three or four months. A location that was naturally beautiful, and have them stay within a comfortable two bedroom house.

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Bubbles, do you think the issue is just removing them from their environment?

What happens when you return to civilization?

Don't you think that additional intervention is required to change habits?

[Sniper]

According to Dina Lohan, Lindsay will be extending her stay in rehab.