2/4, kaboom! the check3bet heavy artillery!?

[DrModern]

I usually fold pre, to be totally honest.

On the flop, the only reason to 3-bet is, as MoM suggested, to protect your hand from weak draws. I think the small chance of them having one, and the small equity those draws have anyway is not worth the likelihood of a) voluntarily putting in more bets when behind or b) exposing yourself to a cap when you're boned (obviously more weight on a). Plus, they might just go ahead and dump to two bets.

My main point is I think you're overestimating the ranges here, Babar, based on your iso-raising read on the guy. If he's solid, he'll have a fairly legitimate hand here most of the time. It's possible, though, that TPdecentK is still good, though and I'd make the cold-call.

One point for discussion, though:

I think donking the flop could actually be a pretty good move here. Does anyone agree?

[bbbushu]

where does HEPFAP or SSHE say to fold this one preflop?

especially given the table of limpers.

[Niediam]

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where does HEPFAP or SSHE say to fold this one preflop?

especially given the table of limpers.

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HEPFAP p. 43
SSH p. 83

The only decent book that I can think of that advocates playing this type of hand is ITH. WLLH and MLH say to fold. And I want to say that WTO says to fold to but I don't own the book and it's been a while since I have read it.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

holy [censored].... ok i wanna do a >>>>> thing between calling and raising/folding preflop but tbh it would require like a 5 mb word document to contain all the >>>>>>>>

[Niediam]

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holy [censored].... ok i wanna do a >>>>> thing between calling and raising/folding preflop but tbh it would require like a 5 mb word document to contain all the >>>>>>>>

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Your posts the last couple days have seriously entertained me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Man of Means]

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where does HEPFAP or SSHE say to fold this one preflop?

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HEPFAP p. 43


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Live [big] blind:
"If someone raises to your right, you should call only with your better hands. This is because someone to your left might reraise." (hardly likely) "Still, if many players are in the pot, you should play more hands..."

There is a discussion of unsuited connectors and they advise playing something like 98o, but not 54o. They also advise "using judgment" when/if playing something like KJo, ATo, etc., being more likely to fold when there's an early position raiser. Domination is more likely but also your relative position postflop is going to be poor.

So I don't see where folding QJo in this situation is advocated by HPFAP.

[Niediam]

Oh sure quote from p. 42 which I didn't read. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

But you make a good point.

[marchron]

On a lighter note, I'm digging this whole onomatopoetic theme to all these posts, BBB, and if I were a mod I'd require that all of your threads sound like they come from the climactic scene in the old "Batman" TV shows.

[tailspin4540]

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One point for discussion, though:

I think donking the flop could actually be a pretty good move here. Does anyone agree?

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*raises hand*

Given the read on button and the action (plus we have no read on CO), our hand's not strong enough to play this like OP did IMO. I think donking this flop thins the field much more effectively and saves us money when we're behind.

[Niediam]

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One point for discussion, though:

I think donking the flop could actually be a pretty good move here. Does anyone agree?

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*raises hand*

Given the read on button and the action (plus we have no read on CO), our hand's not strong enough to play this like OP did IMO. I think donking this flop thins the field much more effectively and saves us money when we're behind.

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How can donking possibly thin the field more than check raising?