How to proceed? Slowplay or raise?

[Lufcmot]

Played on a borrowed computer so no PT reads, first orbit and catching up with my local newspaper.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls.</font>

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?</font>

So, I have a beatyful hand on a drawheavy board. Folding is'nt an option. Could I call and hope that the possible flushdraw raise behind me so I could reraise? A raise right now might just give me the pot, or get me heads up against BB, but it's protecting if the draws just intend to check behind. On a less scary board I would have gone for a call and then raised the turn, but how do you choose to proceed?

[infinity235]

Do NOT slowplay trips. That's how it's taught; if you only called you give the other two guys the right odds to call their (OES)FD; make them PAY. You want to win that pot right there, even though it's AA, if you can't extract too much out of it, dont. If another club (or trey or five) comes on the turn, you will most likely have the odds to draw to a full house on the river.

[Xhad]

Calling isn't unthinkable. There are a number of hands like K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] that aren't really getting the odds to overcall but will anyway. However with only 2 people behind me BB will almost always call the raise if he bothered to bet, so the people behind you would have to BOTH have hands that would call one bet but not two (or overcall and hit a monster on the turn that still loses to ours). And flush draws still call 2 cold all day, as do worse Ax hands (if they coldcalled preflop they aren't folding now). And BB might go to war with a lower set. Raise.

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Do NOT slowplay trips.

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Trips is about the one hand you can correctly slowplay in loose-passive games. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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if you only called you give the other two guys the right odds to call their (OES)FD; make them PAY. You want to win that pot right there, even though it's AA, if you can't extract too much out of it, dont.

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Oh dear. There are a lot more hands that are drawing dead or close to it than drawing live. And no you really shouldn't be afraid of losing the pot on a mostly drawless board when you have the nuts and the nut redraw.

[jstill]

bbs bet into 3 others means hes probably not going anywhere, hands that will call or raise behind fds, sets, two pair or TPGK probably wont fold for two and mite 3bet, and u dont want to let someone in with a gutter (even tho u ll have a redraw) with 55 or 33 or some other hand possibly with a club that will pick up a profitable bdfd. Slowplaying would be a bit better with the Ac. Either way I just raise now and hope bb 3bets a set so I can call and raise the turn, or someone 3bets behind or will call and raise a blank turn.

[Nogatsira]

I hardly ever slowplay trips on a drawheavy board. 4 handed with a donkbet.. I'd put in a raise here.

[fretelöo]

Guys, I'm proud of being a nit so....

You do realize there's a difference between trips and a set?

[marchron]

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Do NOT slowplay trips.

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Trips is about the one hand you can correctly slowplay in loose-passive games. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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All,

Trips != a set. You can slowplay a set. You should very rarely slowplay trips.

[Bona]

Seems to me the choice is between the safe play (raising) and the play with the most potential to build a pot (smooth call/reraise to trap if raised behind) Conventional wisdom is probably raise but I have recently been making the other choice with some success (a 22+BB pot in a very similar situation yesterday)

I am not going to post the hand because I don't want to "hijack" your thread and I've got my quota of flaming pictures and spewing "smileys" for a couple of days [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

[bozlax]

NC thread title nomination:

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Folding is'nt an option.

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Is it just me, or are all of the current crop of nOObs putting this in every post? Folding is ALWAYS an option; in this case it's a very, very bad one, but it's an option.

[Buzz-cp]

we've crippled the deck and we may as well get value from flush draws. Probably no wrong way to proceed.