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#1
05-30-2007, 02:27 AM
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Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
Villain is an unknown. I'm relatively new to stud, playing it on occasion when I get tired of holdem.
Should I have just dumped this ragged assed hand on 5th? Since Villain checked behind on 6th street and there is a dead Jack, is there any enough chance that I have the best hand to justify a call on the end? For that matter, should I have folded on 3rd with my split middle pair/no kicker? The player with the K upcard in Seat 6 was pretty weak tight. 7 Card Stud High ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter) 3rd Street - (0.50 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises Seat 6: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls 4th Street - (2.50 SB) Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises 5th Street - (3.25 BB) Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets 6th Street - (5.25 BB) Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks River - (5.25 BB) Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___folds Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets Total pot: (5.25 BB) 
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#3
05-30-2007, 03:01 AM
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Re: Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
i'm a stud noob. but i'm here so:
i'm fine with the steal raise. villain's 4th street raise shows a lot of strength, especially after you just caught an A. my first thought was to just fold there, but that's dumb with a pair, a 3flush, and an overcard. on 5th, you still haven't improved and villain is still firing. the pot isn't very big. i'd let it go there.
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#4
05-30-2007, 07:11 AM
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Re: Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
Depends totally on how aggressive the opponent is. That raise can mean anything from a pr of 4's to a rolled hand. Against some I'd fold it immediately to the 4th street raise, and against others I'd be willing to cap it to at least 6th st.
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#5
05-30-2007, 07:32 AM
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Re: Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
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4th Street - (2.50 SB) Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises [/ QUOTE ] That raise looks scary, and i don't like your call here. Folding is ok, i think, and so is raising. But calling puts you in an awkward spot later on, imho.
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#6
05-30-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
You're in the cutoff seat, so he's naturally going to be at least a little suspicious of your 3s completion. On 4s, you have a pair, Ace overcard kicker, and a 3-flush. All of the 8's, 3's, A's, and [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]'s are live. Your hand isn't that bad. His raise on 4s sure looks like he's got the pair of 8's you are representing beat, but he also could be getting over-frisky w/split fours and in any case our hand still has enough strength to be worth calling. I'm probably planning on calling 5s and 6s depending on how the boards develop. I'm a little confused about his 6s check, and I can't figure out what he is scared of if he actually has a pair of 8's beat (99 or TT in the hole perhaps?). River is a tough one: a fold is probably best. I might be tempted to call just to see what he has but that is probably spewage.
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#7
05-30-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
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[ QUOTE ] 4th Street - (2.50 SB) Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises [/ QUOTE ] That raise looks scary, and i don't like your call here. Folding is ok, i think, and so is raising. But calling puts you in an awkward spot later on, imho. [/ QUOTE ] Raising to avoid an awkward spot latter on seems wrong. We have a pair with an overcard kicker, a 3 flush, and our hand is completely live. I think we're already just strong enough to make calls (albeit uncomfortable) on 5s + 6s. All raising does is bloat the pot when we're probably behind, and makes the subsequent calls slightly less uncomfortable. You should only 'raise for information' if you are actually going to make use of that info.
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#9
05-31-2007, 12:40 AM
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Re: Stud hi 883 ante steal - when do I dump this rag hand?
I think the third-street raise is pretty automatic. The other guy's raise on fourth street probably means two pair or a pocket pair larger than Eights. On fifth, there are two Eights, three Aces, a King, and runner-runner clubs which will give you a likely winner. I think you have enough hand to call on fifth. You might even consider betting or check-raising as a semi-bluff, depending on whether the other guy is capable of laying down a hand. On the river, the pot's small enough that even I probably wouldn't try to catch a bluff.
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