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Old 05-29-2007, 10:11 AM
KrazyKarl KrazyKarl is offline
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Default Re: Several Hotshots Supposedly Broke Or In Debt

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he isn't busto, I've seen it on TV. I won't name the show, but I know for a fact that Brad Booth bought in for ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

[/ QUOTE ]are you serious...or being sarcastic...or what? I can't tell [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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obviously being serious... we all saw him on WPT with over a million in chips, but he lost all of those didn't he? I'm guessing that would help explain why he's busto!
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:19 AM
Don Olney Don Olney is offline
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Default Re: Several Hotshots Supposedly Broke Or In Debt

did they BUST playing poker or betting sports?
Playing golf or stupid prop bets?

Is the best 1,000/2,000 players that much better than the best 300/600 player or is it just bankroll that lets the 1,000/2,000 player into that game.
Is not better to be GOOD at mixed games than just one specialty? In a rotation of 5 games the good mixed game player has 4 games to take the money and the specialist only has one game to take the cash?

Is it not good selection to put one in the position to get LUCKY?
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:21 AM
ahnuld ahnuld is offline
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"Where is the money going?" Through the magic of recycling, all the money Benyamine takes out of the big game has gone into the banks of P.A. and Aba. Both are up 1 mil+ this month, with aba up almost 2 mil and benyamine is down 2 mil online.

Also lol ELD is right again. And its worth noting that these guys prob. havent played over 200k hands in their lives. Think about this, at 30 hands an hour, playing 4 hours a day, 300 days a year, it would take 6 years to get in 200k hands. Live players are then prone to think they are teh awesome when in fact they just ran well for the past 5 years
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:27 AM
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So everything everyone makes in poker is funneled into PA and Aba? Makes perfect sense.

It I had any skills I would make a MS Paint for this... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:35 AM
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Is the best 1,000/2,000 players that much better than the best 300/600 player or is it just bankroll that lets the 1,000/2,000 player into that game.



[/ QUOTE ] Well if you read the OP its Sklansky's contention that most of the big game players are not any better than a top 300/600 player. Believe Sklansky, or don't, for rather obvious reasons I can't make an informed guess at that.


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Is not better to be GOOD at mixed games than just one specialty? In a rotation of 5 games the good mixed game player has 4 games to take the money and the specialist only has one game to take the cash?


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Depends, I suppose. Obviously being good at a number of games means you are less likely to have to avoid juicy games. For a high stakes player (not just the highest stakes player) there's an obvious benefit to that. If there are a limited number of juicy games at higher stakes, it would be too bad to have to pass up a, say, great seven stud hi-lo game because you aren't good at that game.

On the other hand, being a specialist who is great at one game, means you have an expectation of profit against almost any opposition, and if the game you are a specialist at is commonly spread, that too is a good position to be in.

I would reject your proposition, that its either or, though, and say the best position would be to be very good at all kinds of games, and a specialist in one or two (if we assume, that is, that it is not possible to become a top top level player in all the games).
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: Several Hotshots Supposedly Broke Or In Debt

Given "what stories" of how Booth throws money away?
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:57 AM
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No limit requires more skill than limit. Nearly everyone knows that.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:02 AM
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No limit requires more skill than limit. Nearly everyone knows that.

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No, they don't.

I would say there is strong evidence against it and you can argue either way.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:09 AM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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its very difficult to succeed in big games online if youre a mixed game specialist and not a specialist in any specific game as you will be playing in games where everyone is better than you since theyre all a specialist of that game and youre not. mixed games are rather uncommon in the online setting.

i would also have to say that if youre planning on being a live pro, whether being a mixed game player or a specialist of 1 specific game is highly dependant on your personality and talent. a specialist of a specific game is likely to make alot more money than a specialist of all the games, but the specialist of all the games may make more money over time. stud was the game everyone played 15 years ago, then it was lhe, now its nlh. everyone knows nlh is already starting to dry up, especially at the lower limits (maybe not 50/100+). it may be different 10 years from now. if youve specialized in one game and cant play the others you might be in deep trouble in the future. look at where all the stud specialists ended up (if they havent learned the other stud variants) and look at what happened to the lhe players.

also, its much easier to burn out if you play 1 specific game and not the others. not only is playing 1 specific game very boring, but it also can be a dead end in your ambition for progression. it can be hard to get better at a game when youve come close to mastering it, and boredom may set in. on top of that, most would agree that games are much more fun when people are playing really badly. if youre a one-game specialist youll take part in that fun less. for instance, quite often someone will walk into the casino planning on playing a game you dont know how to play while lining the pocket of everyone else in the game. not only is that game fun because its wild, but big donators are catalysts for other weak players to play the game as well. youll often see lhe players sit in an omaha game because of the donator that just sat in and have no idea what theyre doing, making the game even better.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:13 AM
grdred944 grdred944 is offline
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Whilst everything you've said TStone is very valid, I'm of the opinion that you either share all (100%) or nothing at all (0%). It annoys the hell out of me when I hear a bit of gossip but don't hear the real gossip, within the gossip.

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I tend to agree with this POV. I appreciate David's position in the poker world and not wanting to be seen as spilling the beans however, it is part of the natural order of things that with 100 top pros, a significant percentage will be busto at any given moment. Do most of these guys and gals not just ship money back and forth to each other anyway? I don't fault him for posting but it should include at least one name so we can dissect what went wrong and where.
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