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Old 05-29-2007, 08:14 AM
vlerk vlerk is offline
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Default Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

What does everyone think about these? I'll explain my thought process on both hands after I get some comments.

Hand 1
UTG is 30/21/2.2 over about 50 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $51.50
BB: $25.00
UTG: $35.90
MP: $16.50
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $25.25</font>
BTN: $34.65

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 7 7 (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.90</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.05

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($6.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $10.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $22.35</font>...

Hand 2
UTG is 15/13/2.9 after about 150 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $49.20</font>
BB: $12.85
UTG: $33.05
CO: $8.40
BTN: $24.65

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.80</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.95

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 5 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, UTG calls $4.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($14.85) 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $41.90</font>...

I think my image in both hands is that of a TAG who reraises reasonably light.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:31 AM
Gullanian Gullanian is offline
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

Hand 1, sorry but wtf. A pot sized bet, followed by a min raise, one of them has you beat.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:33 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

The (close to) pot sized bet was mine. or am I misunderstanding you?
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:34 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

Oops misread the hand my bad! Still it's a fold though.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

Dont know what to think about first hand, what does his check-raise on flop means?Does he do this often?
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

Hand 1: You're trying to push him off his AQ TPTK, or maybe you saw him c/r-ing the flop a ton of times before? Anyway, you're reperesenting a set or maybe a big draw like AsKs. You're basically risking 20 to win 20 so you need to get him to fold more than 50% of the time to make this worthwhile. I don't think you have that much fold equity here, unless you have a super-nitty image.


Hand 2: This makes more sense, you may be pushing higher PPs off the hand, and you still have 10 outs if you fail.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:51 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

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Dont know what to think about first hand, what does his check-raise on flop means?Does he do this often?

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I interpreted it as weakness. He might do it with a set on this board but I thought it was unlikely he had one. He could also be bluffing me with 44-TT. I think he'd only call my push with QJ and a set. I'm not sure if he'd fold AQ to a reraise, but if he wouldn't he would probably call this as well.

This hand may very well be spew. I'm not sure, that's why i posted it.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

Dont like either, you are relying on FE that doesn't exist.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:59 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

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Hand 1: You're trying to push him off his AQ TPTK, or maybe you saw him c/r-ing the flop a ton of times before? Anyway, you're reperesenting a set or maybe a big draw like AsKs. You're basically risking 20 to win 20 so you need to get him to fold more than 50% of the time to make this worthwhile. I don't think you have that much fold equity here, unless you have a super-nitty image.


Hand 2: This makes more sense, you may be pushing higher PPs off the hand, and you still have 10 outs if you fail.

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I think I agree with you on hand 1. I probably played this badly.

Hand 2 was a checkraise for value. I don't think he would just call with an overpair on the flop here. He'd have to be concerned about giving me a free turn if he has 88-JJ, if he thinks I missed this flop with a hand like AK. I don't know if he'd raise the flop with a set, but I think so.
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Old 05-29-2007, 09:00 AM
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Default Re: Two pushes with 77 at 25nl

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Dont like either, you are relying on FE that doesn't exist.

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Which hands that beat me would he play like this (hand 2)?
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