200NL, fold a straight?

[ValarMorghulis]

Just sat down. No reads.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $198.00</font>
BB: $210.20
UTG: $209.35
MP: $130.60
CO: $205.52
BTN: $200.80

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.00, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>, BB calls $7.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($22) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, BB calls $15.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($52) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $42.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $186.20</font>

Is he ever valuebetting a bare J?

[dirtytricks]

Nope. You can fold this. I dont like the bet on the river there either against an unknown. People love to slowplay flushes. He is in the BB but still.

[Poker monkey]

I call. A hand like J9 is entirely possible. You need to be good like 35% of the time.

[Wolfram]

Tough spot. I think a lot of donkey types will go apeshit if they have the J here. Problem is that you are readless. I definitely bet the turn because I don't want to give a free card to villain if he has any club. I would check the river however and call anything up to a pot sized bet. Betting again gives villain a chance to outplay us just like this.

[ValarMorghulis]

Are we not losing soooo much value from all his non straight or flush hands by checking behind on river? And what hands is he going to bet beside a straight or a flush. And there's no reason to think he ever bluffs here.

[EddieRooo]

Not betting the river is a much bigger mistake than either calling and folding to his shove.

[rpr]

I fold, PartyPoker notwithstanding. Maybe he has a J but you could easily have a flush here yourself so I doubt he's bluffing.

I don't see how checking the river is worse than betting and calling his raise. I'd rather check and call his value bet, than value bet and call/fold his shove.

[lilkidizzle]

"don't go broke in an unraised pot without the nuts", i've played quite a bit at 200nl on party poker and i think you are going to see a flush more often than not, I prefer a check call on the river

[ValarMorghulis]

I honestly think c/call is bad. He's generally not betting his 2pair type hands on river but will probably call a bet with them. I agree with EddieRoo.

But bet/fold is probably what I should of done. I think it could be close simply because a lot of villains could play a J like this.

[gimmetheloot]

snapcall. stack a J often, lose to a flush often. No worries. u good that 35% eaaaaasy.