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Old 05-27-2007, 05:25 PM
Eriol Eriol is offline
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Default bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.7BB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero?</font>

call or 3-bet here?
If I call and I don't improve to a flush what to do on river if villains b/r again, cold call or fold?
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

call

I don't think our hand is good after the flop cap, bet &amp; turn raise, do you?

also I may just call the flop raise with the bottom 2 here.
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

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call

I don't think our hand is good after the flop cap, bet &amp; turn raise, do you?


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no I don't

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also I may just call the flop raise with the bottom 2 here.

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I don't agree, I think the raiser raise all good queens/good fd here.
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

I'm not 3 betting the flop after that kind of action. And I'd agree with the turn call.
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

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I'm not 3 betting the flop after that kind of action.

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what? there are 3 to the flop in an unraised pot. the BB leads out (could be any pair, air, draws, etc), and the UTG player raises (could be Qx, 8x, hearts, etc). you have the best hand a ton vs. "that kind of action"
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

I don't mind the 3 bet/call on the flop. I think we call the turn, but I'm expecting a raise out of BB.
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

Grunch.

Call. As I see it you got to hit your flush, and there is a farely good chance that it's gonna hold up. I would be more worried if I hit my FH that I would loose to a bigger one. UI on the river, just fold.
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

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I'm not 3 betting the flop after that kind of action.

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what? there are 3 to the flop in an unraised pot. the BB leads out (could be any pair, air, draws, etc), and the UTG player raises (could be Qx, 8x, hearts, etc). you have the best hand a ton vs. "that kind of action"

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fyp

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Any idea about the river line if we don't improve? Obviously call for 1 BB, but for 2BB?
Also if we improve to a full house will you raise a bet or not?
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

I would c/f the river UI, and c/r the river if we get the full house.

Honestly, I think the biggest mistake here is limping in with 86s pf. I dont think the pot is big enough with just one limper to play a speculative hand like this.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: bottom two pairs + small flush draw on turn

You REALLY need to 3-bet that flop. Don't question that. Call the turn. Reevaluate on river. Lose to better 2 pair, be sad.
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