Governor of New Hampshire states position on Frank's bill

[TheEngineer]

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This bill gets a little scary when it turns out YOUR state may force you to move or quit playing online, huh Skall?

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Not really. States already have juristiction over gambling. This bill doesn't give states any new rights to ban gambling.

[JPFisher55]

Actually, Engineer it does. Right now states can ban all internet gaming, but not certain parts. Under HR 2046, they could opt out of some internet gaming. However, the details of HR 2046 do not matter. What matters is getting some legislative action, hearings etc., on our side.

[TheEngineer]

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Right now states can ban all internet gaming, but not certain parts.

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Are you sure about that? Why can't a state ban Internet sports betting, for example, without banning online lottery ticket sales or instate remote horse racing?

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What matters is getting some legislative action, hearings etc., on our side.

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Agree. Failing to advocate legislation that helps us because of speculation over worst-case outcomes is counterproductive, as we'll never advocate anything under that scenario.

[Jeffiner99]

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Right now states can ban all internet gaming, but not certain parts.

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Are you sure about that? Why can't a state ban Internet sports betting, for example, without banning online lottery ticket sales or instate remote horse racing?

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What matters is getting some legislative action, hearings etc., on our side.

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Agree. Failing to advocate legislation that helps us because of speculation over worst-case outcomes is counterproductive, as we'll never advocate anything under that scenario.

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That is like saying that we should never look both ways when crossing a street because we are afraid of the getting hit by a car. It is only speculation and the car may never come, so why bother speculating? Nor will putting your hands in front of your eyes eliminate the threat of the car. Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he isn't there.

[Skallagrim]

"This bill gets a little scary when it turns out YOUR state may force you to move or quit playing online, huh Skall? "

Does not scare me at all. Right now NH law does not stop online poker. If the Frank Bill were to pass, NH would have to certify that its legal, or pass new legislation. NH could pass that legislation now, if anyone in the state would vote for it.

The line you got in your response is EXACTLY the same line the governor uses when he is asked about CASINO gambling in NH. Which is about the only gambling issue that actually gets an anti-gambling majority.

The state of NH is one of the most libertarian in the US, certainly in the East. We dont even have a seatbelt law (though they keep trying).

No way that most NH voters are gonna think its a good idea to police what games people play on their home computers.
At least not untill the rest of Massachusetts moves here.

Quite franky, once some legislator in NH realizes that they can get new revenue without having to actually build a casino, NH will probably be the first state to do it.


Skallagrim

[TheEngineer]

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Right now states can ban all internet gaming, but not certain parts.

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Are you sure about that? Why can't a state ban Internet sports betting, for example, without banning online lottery ticket sales or instate remote horse racing?

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What matters is getting some legislative action, hearings etc., on our side.

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Agree. Failing to advocate legislation that helps us because of speculation over worst-case outcomes is counterproductive, as we'll never advocate anything under that scenario.

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That is like saying that we should never look both ways when crossing a street because we are afraid of the getting hit by a car. It is only speculation and the car may never come, so why bother speculating? Nor will putting your hands in front of your eyes eliminate the threat of the car. Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he isn't there.

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Our opponents are driving at us at full speed, trying to run us over.

[JPFisher55]

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Are you sure about that? Why can't a state ban Internet sports betting, for example, without banning online lottery ticket sales or instate remote horse racing?

The Commerce Clause under a line of cases called the Dormant Commerce Clause cases. Not that it matters much to HR 2046.
We basically agree about this bill. Except that I think that WTO pressure or court litigation is more likely to help us than politics or legislation. But we can do something about the latter, but nothing about the former.

[TheEngineer]

Yes, we all agree we need to work within the political realm to achieve what we want.

[MiltonFriedman]

"Live Free and Die" replaced it in the 2000 Presidential Election.

[Cactus Jack]

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Fixed Dobson's thoughts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Damn, that's so true it's frightening.