Taking a stand - Page 2

gimmetheloot · #11 05-27-2007, 04:53 AM

is good.

keikiwai · #12 05-27-2007, 04:55 AM

given your read this is a value bet

and given your read, villain will think you're making a stand w/ a bluff, so he calls w TP and other stuff you beat

so overall is GOOT

Oki-Oki · #13 05-27-2007, 08:21 AM

Ok I'll be different, I do not like

Oki-Oki · #14 05-27-2007, 08:21 AM

Name worse hands that call

terp · #15 05-27-2007, 08:28 AM

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lol

that is all

lol

Oki-Oki · #16 05-27-2007, 08:38 AM

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lol

that is all

lol

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Not sure if that is a dig at me but w/e.

Comon this is not the greatest board for you to take a stand on. This board hits so much of his calling range.

I doubt villian is stupid enough to think your taking a stand here with no pair. Therefore I think he folds top pair hands including tptk.

I'd rather call and re-evaluate turn or donk turn planning on calling a shove etc. But I really dont think that a shove is great.

TehVader · #17 05-27-2007, 08:45 AM

You think villain folds hands like 67/86 etc here?

Sqwrlking · #18 05-27-2007, 08:52 AM

If you've been folding a lot to his aggression, then I think a shove looks a lot like frustration. I think you'll be called by lots of hands you beat, and like someone said, even if he has a 7, he only has 6 outs.

Wolfram · #19 05-27-2007, 08:52 AM

Oki.

We're pushing for protection and 'cause we are ahead of his range (villain has been constantly challenging our raises & cbets). The board is super-wet, so we can't just call and reevaluate. We'll have no idea where we're at with our 1-pair. If he has a made hand that beats us we also have 6 outs twice to catch up.

EZ push.

Oki-Oki · #20 05-27-2007, 09:20 AM

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If you've been folding a lot to his aggression, then I think a shove looks a lot like frustration. I think you'll be called by lots of hands you beat, and like someone said, even if he has a 7, he only has 6 outs.

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I disagree with this statement which is the main reason why I dont like the line. I think if we get it in we are not infront of alot except pair and str8 hands or a flushdraw which prob includes two overcards.

Shoving has merits but I dont think that its optimal. Its just he easiest line to take.

By shoving here we let the villian play pretty much perfectly against us.