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Old 05-27-2007, 07:34 AM
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Default AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

Opponent is a decent ish LAG, playing 25/21/4 and I've seen him play 2/4 recently.

I know a flop bet would be totally standard, but I thought I could induce him to bluff the flop/turn if I checked - it's a very opponent dependent flop check. Furthermore, I think his range here is almost always small pocket pair, so I'm either way ahead/way behind on the flop with no real draws.

He didn't bite on the flop or turn, so I decide to bet the river to try to get some value for my hand. To my surprise, I get hit by a meaty raise! Is a call standard here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($45.60)
Button ($215)
SB ($255.35)
Hero ($200.20)
UTG ($373)
MP ($265.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $16, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($47) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($47) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($47) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $90</font>, Hero ???
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:56 AM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

What do you put MP on after caling that massive PF raise?

Im definately betting this flop and turn

On the river - its an easy call. Im thinking about a 3bet here since his hand could easily be a slowplayed overpair on this dry board thinking you are stealing.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:00 AM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

snap call the river, never try this again unless you are 100% sure you know ur man and what you're doing (i.e. you wouldn't need to post this simple of a situation here, you just know)
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:02 AM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

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snap call the river, never try this again unless you are 100% sure you know ur man and what you're doing (i.e. you wouldn't need to post this simple of a situation here, you just know)

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I would never usually do this...If I didnt stress this enough in the preamble then I am stressing it now!

I really don't see what else a 25/21 limps behind an UTG limper and calls a raise and 3-bet with apart from a smallish pair.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:03 AM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

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What do you put MP on after caling that massive PF raise?



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Small pair pretty much always. He isnt a donk. And the preflop raise isnt massive, it was pot.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

When you induce bluffs you have to call them. His raise does look sickeningly value-ish but you don't have enough information to fold.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:28 AM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

As played you have to call.
You wouldnt be in this spot if you had just bet before though.
After pf his range is quite narrow; he'd probably call a 3/4 pot c-bet and then you can try c/r-ing the turn.
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Old 05-27-2007, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

Obviously call the river, but for the love of god bet somewhere.
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Old 05-27-2007, 12:38 PM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

so you're putting him on 88 exactly? he could call your 3/4b with that but it's quite a thin call pf. Surely a flopped set bets before the river.

Only other hand I can really see that beats you is 67s/78s, wch again is a thin call vs a very tight player IP I guess. I don't like cold calling in MP with that hand though.

Does he always 3b AK/AQ PF? If yes then you might have to fold - surely PPs that you beat just call the river bet.
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Old 05-27-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: AA played passively, facing river raise, 1/2 FTP

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Opponent is a LAG, playing 25/21/4

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Say it ain't so!
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