Am I ever good when a live 15 player three bets this river?

[Overseer55]

Pot has 10 BB...there's no way you can be 90%+ sure that you're beat. Since there's a CHANCE he's 3-towning a set, you have to call. Next hand please.

[goofball]

C'mon, call. And don't post semibad beat stories.

[private joker]

Just a general note, 27o: when you're put to a decision on the river, any time you raise you should do so with a premeditated plan on what to do if reraised. If you can't figure out what to do, then you've picked the wrong line.

Just think one step ahead when acting:
If I bet, what will I do if raised? If I don't like those options, maybe I should check.
If I raise, what will I do if 3-bet? If I don't like those options, maybe I should call or fold.
If I checkraise, what will I do if 3-bet? If I don't like those options, maybe I should bet/call instead.

And so on...

[27offsooot]

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C'mon, call. And don't post semibad beat stories.

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Fine, i don't know whether it was a bad beat story or not, b/c i folded. Sorry. I really thought it was a tough river decision. Maybe I should know better. I'm still confused what besides a flush he three bets the river with.

PJ, i know what u're saying. I raised with the intention of folding. That's why i tried to pause to make him think that i was faking weakness. That's how i typically read these hands. Prob wasn't a good idea. After future hands, i think that it was a def. call. Just asking vs. the typical tight regular whether this was a call or fold. I can't imagine not raising this river, but again, maybe i'm wrong.

[27offsooot]

I still haven't heard of one hand that villain plays like this that I beat. Could he have a set or A8 or even A4? How awful would this line be?

[surfdoc]

Nolanfan posted a hand from the bellgio 15 a ways back where I had a piece of him in a very similar hand. I tried to find it so I wouldnt have to repost my thoughts but the search function is crap. I think that raise/fold line is fine but the key thing to consider is that generally passive live players donk out on the river when a draw completes it is usally because they got there. It is more often true in a situation like this where your hand makes the ace much less likely to make him 2 pair and therefore the number of FD combos is much greater than the number of Ax combos.

[andyfox]

Yeah, sometimes you're good. Only one ace left in the deck, so that minimized his aces-up possibilities, but he might have played a set unusually.

As far as the second hand effecting our replies on the first, sometimes a guy will be flop crazy yet river sensible.

[Vehn]

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I still haven't heard of one hand that villain plays like this that I beat. Could he have a set or A8 or even A4? How awful would this line be?

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When you do the long pause raise "trick" on the river you are representing simply an ace, he could be easily 3 betting anything that beats AK. You got what you wanted with your little tricksy move now call.

[DeeJ]

He may have rivered two pair, so just call his 3 bet. I would expect to lose 90% of the time.