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Old 05-23-2007, 10:05 PM
critters critters is offline
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Default Overplayed 88?

Looking for comments re the hand below. My M=14. Here were my thoughts:

1- Decided to reraise CO raiser because I thought there was some fold equity. I can fold to a 4-bet by one of the blinds

2- But I cant shake the feeling that this hand was overplayed based on an M of 14



Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t80/t160
8 players
Converter


Stack sizes:
UTG: t5160
UTG+1: t4386
MP1: t6150
MP2: t1340
CO: t2900
Hero: t3315
SB: t4625
BB: t9490


Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with 8♣ 8♥
4 folds, CO raises to t450, Hero raises to t1300, 2 folds, CO raises all-in t2900, Hero calls t1600 (pot was t4440).


Flop: J♣ 7♣ K♥ (t6040, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t6040)



Turn: 5♥ (t6040, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t6040)



River: Q♦ (t6040, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t6040)



Results:
Final pot: t6040
Hero showed 8c 8h
CO showed Ah Qc

Results:
Final pot: t6040
Hero showed 8c 8h
CO showed Ah Qc
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:04 PM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

I like it, but I'm the king of overplaying 88. Just ask MattG.
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

Terrible decision.

The re-raise itself isn't horrible per se. It's that you didn't take into account the fact that you're priced in to call a preflop shove from villain afterwards. At best, you'd be an 11:10 favorite. But most of the time, you're probably a 4:1 dog.
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

I like the re-raise, but I think when he comes back over the top he's telling you he has a real monster (even though he really didn't)and you need to lay it down. But don't beat yourself up over this one, you were a favorite and were priced in after your re-raise, if you put him on AK which was possible you made the right decision, depends on what you had for info on this player.
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Old 05-24-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

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I like it, but I'm the king of overplaying 88. Just ask MattG.

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so im guessing you are intervention,

I dont mind the play with no ante yet but 20BBs to CO raiser my money is almost certainly getting in with 88
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Old 05-24-2007, 01:50 AM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

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I like it, but I'm the king of overplaying 88. Just ask MattG.

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so im guessing you are intervention,

I dont mind the play with no ante yet but 20BBs to CO raiser my money is almost certainly getting in with 88

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Old 05-24-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

Just shove preflop (88 is very strong against random villian that opens the pot from cutoff). Raising to 1300 leaves you pot committet. As played, you obv have to call villian's shove beacause you priced yourself into it.
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

Overplayed. As played you my as well push-you committed yourself to the hand by raising almost 40% of your stack.
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:12 PM
Nivek24 Nivek24 is offline
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

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Terrible decision.

The re-raise itself isn't horrible per se. It's that you didn't take into account the fact that you're priced in to call a preflop shove from villain afterwards. At best, you'd be an 11:10 favorite. But most of the time, you're probably a 4:1 dog.

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This was not a terrible decision. At best you are a 11:10 fav? I don't think so... CO could have a WIDE range of hands, Even if you pushed right here I could see him calling with 77 or AJ or perhaps even worse if hes loose. And he could have any ace and fold or any small poket pair.

Nice play with 8's I say, except that you can just push all in before the flop.
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:34 PM
Akeshish Akeshish is offline
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Default Re: Overplayed 88?

Like they say if your gonna win a tourny, you have to win the 50/50's. It seems as if you like to gamble, at best you had to feel like it was going to be a coin flip. He could just be on a steal but it all depends on how he was playing before. If they guy has made the steal attempt several times, than i would have done what you did and raise. But if he was a rock, i would have picked a better spot.
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