NL10 - Is an All In Call Against Super Loose Villain Profitable Here?

[RuFFNeXX]

I had been waiting for an opportunity to go against this villain as he was 75.56/26.67/ through 45 hands. I would like discussion on whether a call here is profitable in the long run against this type of villain. Please explain why regardless of which side of the fence you sit. Discussion on this particular hand is also welcomed.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($9.90)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($5.05)</font>
UTG ($4.10)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($11.50)</font>
Button ($6.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.40, UTG folds.

Flop: ($1.15) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, BB calls $0.80.

Turn: ($2.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero?

[llamage]

I think this is a marginal situation so not THAT profitable in the long run. However, I never give short stacks any credit, so I call this every time.

edit*** oh against THIS type of villain...ya I call still call this every time. You see some WEIRD hands here. sometimes 7x of hearts.

[RuFFNeXX]

Ok, so you're saying that because it is marginal, you wouldn't necessarily call. But against this type of loose villain it's insta call. What about the pot odds given at the end and the betting patterns, do they factor into the equation, and if so, to what extent?

Another question, do you see this at 25NL as well?

[crovax4444]

50 BBs effective , I'm folding the turn

Crovax

[RuFFNeXX]

Crovax, I don't understand. I only have to call $2.35 after his raise to $3.75 on the turn. If my calculations are correct, this translates to me needing to call only 23.5BB, not 50bb. Then consider that I'm getting odds of 3.36 to 1 on my call of his turn raise (the pot was $7.90). I don't believe he has the trips nines but he may have an overpair to the board. However, I doubt that since he had been betting with his made hands whereas he kept checking to me. My read at the table was that he likes to call preflop raises and just really likes to play pots. His PT numbers support that. In this situation I'm basically putting him on a bluff or an overpair. You might want to consider a the slim possibility of a draw but I doubt that as well. Is it faulty logic to reason that the 3.36 to 1 pot odds is worth my troubles to find out whether he pot stealing?

[Worm75]

In my case here, I am calling, not only because of the 3.6 to 1 odd he is laying to you, but because you are more likely than not ahead of his range. BTW your turn bet sucks, when he checks here, check behind your small bet on the turn screams WEAK!! I am scared of this card. Better value in checking the turn and either calling a river bet, or value betting the river.

[RuFFNeXX]

Worm, so if I check behind on the turn and he bets out on the river do I just fold or is there a bet amount that I can call here?

You are right about my turn bet size though. I thought that would've been the thing others picked up on first. I made the bet and immediately thought, "wtf are you doing betting like that." Ironically though, the small turn bet followed by his raise lead me to believe he thought I was weak. I then put him on a pot steal. Given that read along with others and the pot odds I decided to call. My issue though was whether it is the right play against this type of opponent in this situation most of the time. If anyone is interested I posted the entire HH with the results below in white.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($9.90)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($5.05)</font>
UTG ($4.10)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($11.50)</font>
Button ($6.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.40, UTG folds.

Flop: ($1.15) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, BB calls $0.80.

Turn: ($2.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $2.35.

River: ($10.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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Final Pot: $10.25

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Kc 6h (one pair, nines).
Hero has 8d 8c (two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $10.25. </font>

[jmgambler]

I pot the flop, its a pretty good flop for you. given your read I would call here and again given your read a loose 7? or some draw.