The odds are great but the limper messed it up

[markbris]

Buyin 1 dollar 1000 added on stars
Limpers second hand at the table, first hand he raised wiht Ak and doubled up an AA. other two guys been doing the usual micro thing and blinding away. 4 to one on the call? I would make this for sure if the limper wasnt there but what do i do now?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t80528)
SB (t8019)
Hero (t27732)
UTG (t25320)
UTG+1 (t1391)
MP1 (t218659)
MP2 (t114906)
MP3 (t9193)
CO (t94759)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t1191 (All-In), MP1 calls t4000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t8993</font>, folds to hero, Hero?

[lemming]

I'm probably folding here, OOP with a crappy holding against possible dominating hands...

[ItalianFX]

Very easy fold.

[Hercules]

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Very easy fold.

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Are u serious?

I haven`t done the math`s on it, but although it might be counterintuitive, you got insane odds.
Lots of dead money, but it obv depends if the limper can fold his Q6s or other crap.

if this wouldnt be a 1$, a push might be easier.
Given that its a 1$ with ppl limp-instacalling K5 i am unsure.

[lemming]

We hold a marginal holding with very low showdown value, OOP against a bigstack, who might as well be a very loose player who pushes you off a middlepair instead of checking down to eliminate the all-in dude... I just wouldn't bother calling here and watch the player(s) get bust, it's not only about pot odds here, you also got to consider position, stack sizes etc. etc. Also, MP1 might be raising if you call, although that's not so probable...

[Hercules]

lemming, i hope nobody is seriously thinking about calling.

The question is if we are pushing to isolate.

[Soulman]

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lemming, i hope nobody is seriously thinking about calling.

The question is if we are pushing to isolate.

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In a higher buy-in, you wouldn't have any FE. Have no clue here though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ItalianFX]

Ok so we have 2 all-ins in front of us, a huge stack who limped. We have to try to get the bigstack off of his hand, which we will probably be able to. MP3 will probably have a better hand than us the majority of the time. If we push to isolate and get the bigstack out of the hand, we are effectively calling the MP3's all-in. Therefore, he is entitled to that pot and we're actually going in behind.

But maybe I'm not understanding the situation so please explain.

[lemming]

Nah I think you understood it...

People think about raising to isolate the all-in, in which we hopefully are a 40-60 dog (disregarded UTG+1's all-in), against MP3, but because of the dead money in there, we actually get the pot odds. Although I don't think risking that much with a marginal holding which is likely to be dominated, is not worth "taking" these pot odds by raising to isolate...