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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
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[ QUOTE ] I'd like to see the DAYS worth of convo about this stake as well. Go ahead, post it, it is very evident you knew it was a stake. Although, I'll be fortunate if you dont proof read it and edit it first. Really a shame my comp doesnt log AIM convos. [/ QUOTE ] Classic. Blaming the victim through the use of language meant to lead others into questioning the integrity of OP who was clearly mislead and bamboozled. Nothing more than a vailed ad hominem. And coming from the lying hustler himself no less. There is no way you can turn this around boosted. Wake up and smell the coffee, it's crystal clear in everyone's mind that you conned OP. [/ QUOTE ] It can't possibly be "crystal clear" until we've seen the IMs between them other than the 10 lines we saw in OP. For all we know they fleshed things out over the course of the next couple days. Obviously with our evidence Boosted looks really bad in this but we really can't know what happened between them in other chats. |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
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[ QUOTE ] Isn't there a huge conflict of interest when you are playing on two different staking deals where the stakers are not in communication with each other? I can see it working in tournaments when one will stake certain tourneys, and the other will stake the rest. Or they can work out a deal where they split your action. However, taking two staking deals without working out details with each staker is really shady. [/ QUOTE ] Mine and yoguh's staking deal is over. He has opted not to post more money for me to make up the stake, therefore, I cannot win his money back, and for some reason he thinks I'm going to just drop $30k out of my pocket. [/ QUOTE ] ??? And where did the deal with Neutrality go?? Paying me 30k is definitely a better deal for you in terms of EV than playing 10/20 for me and your friend. |
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dracospinner rules... PokerStars Game #10011992462: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/05/20 - 10:33:02 (ET) Table 'Massalia II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: Dracospinner ($8776 in chips) Seat 2: VoodooWizard ($6202.50 in chips) Seat 3: ktrieu ($18124.50 in chips) Seat 4: Boosted J ($5535 in chips) Seat 5: Weeman121 ($1050 in chips) Seat 6: janwillem111 ($6218 in chips) Seat 7: alexeimartov ($6813 in chips) Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($7554 in chips) Weeman121: posts small blind $25 janwillem111: posts big blind $50 *** HOLE CARDS *** alexeimartov: folds H@££INGGOL: folds Dracospinner: raises $150 to $200 VoodooWizard: folds ktrieu: folds Boosted J: raises $450 to $650 Weeman121: folds janwillem111: folds Dracospinner: calls $450 *** FLOP *** [7c Th Kc] Dracospinner: checks Boosted J: bets $875 Dracospinner: calls $875 *** TURN *** [7c Th Kc] [9d] Dracospinner: checks Boosted J: bets $4010 and is all-in Dracospinner: calls $4010 *** RIVER *** [7c Th Kc 9d] [4h] *** SHOW DOWN *** Dracospinner: shows [Js 8s] (a straight, Seven to Jack) Boosted J: mucks hand Dracospinner collected $11142 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $11145 | Rake $3 Board [7c Th Kc 9d 4h] Seat 1: Dracospinner showed [Js 8s] and won ($11142) with a straight, Seven to Jack Seat 2: VoodooWizard folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: ktrieu folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: Boosted J (button) mucked Seat 5: Weeman121 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: janwillem111 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: alexeimartov folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: H@££INGGOL folded before Flop (didn't bet) [/ QUOTE ] had AA |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Isn't there a huge conflict of interest when you are playing on two different staking deals where the stakers are not in communication with each other? I can see it working in tournaments when one will stake certain tourneys, and the other will stake the rest. Or they can work out a deal where they split your action. However, taking two staking deals without working out details with each staker is really shady. [/ QUOTE ] Mine and yoguh's staking deal is over. He has opted not to post more money for me to make up the stake, therefore, I cannot win his money back, and for some reason he thinks I'm going to just drop $30k out of my pocket. [/ QUOTE ] ??? And where did the deal with Neutrality go?? Paying me 30k is definitely a better deal for you in terms of EV than playing 10/20 for me and your friend. [/ QUOTE ] I'm going by what the stake was, and it was clear between you and I, that I would make that money back up if you continued to "keep staking me in the game" like I told you 10x in our other chats, and you said you would. You're not keeping me in the game, which is making me be unable to win your money back. |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
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It seems like OP should post the entire contents of their conversation(s). He hasn't denied that they spent a lot of time talking... so when he only posts a couple of lines, my natural assumption is that he picked the portion that reflected best on his side of the case. Normally I'd say it's none of our [censored] business, but by posting this thread he has tarnished boosted's rep to a certain degree, so it seems at this point that the best thing to do would be to come out with all the evidence. [/ QUOTE ] We did talk a lot those few days, but not about staking. I'll post starting from when I lent boosted 30k until the convo drifts off. Then I'll post when he asks me for the "stake" and the convo drifts off. It really isn't much. It's just a lot of work to edit out the screen names but I'll do it. Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:26 PM boosted: yo me: yo yo boosted: I need a big favor me: sup? boosted: I need to ask you for a short term loan boosted: I'm very short with online chips boosted: I got plenty of money but not online chips me: how much do u need? boosted: probably as much as you can do, I'd like to borrow from a few different people boosted: I dont know how much you trust me or w/e boosted: but my word is pretty gold me: i trust u me: u going to wsop this year? boosted: possibly, although I'm only still 19 me: um... how much are u looking to get? me: ah i turn 21 on july 1st boosted: what day does the main event start? boosted: probably 50-60 me: july 6th boosted: oh [censored] boosted: good for you then lol boosted: rip the donks me: hahaha if i win i'll prob be the youngest winner ever me: hahaha boosted: heh me: are u going to send me free money back as interest [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] boosted: :X boosted: well idk me: hehehe me: i'll send u 30 ok? boosted: that'd be great me: when are u planning to send it back? boosted: I'd appreciate it tons boosted: I'd really like to send back to you boosted: in 2-3 days boosted: but boosted: there's a chance that might not happen I'd say me: k boosted: I mean def within 1 month me: okay boosted: but way less boosted: most likely boosted: tyvm boosted: for some reason boosted: everyone is acting super stingy boosted: its like dumb boosted: I do lots of favors for other people me: ahh yea me: well i don't play on ftp anymore me: and i still have a bit there boosted: tru me: so it doesn't really hurt me me: unless u run away me: hahahaha me: what's ur name on ftp? boosted: tight lol me: boostedj? boosted: "Boosted J" me: k boosted: a space boosted: in between me: it's sent me: how much have u made from poker? And here it drifts off... So here the convo is just reg poker convo.. then the staking part.. then it goes to reg poker convo again.. and this is the whole chat relavent to borrowing and staking. me: ah me: cuz i play stars me: and i'm thinking after i make 100 or 200k from 5/10 i may want to play 25/50 me: but it's always fr boosted: same game boosted: just gotta tighten up boosted: man boosted: I miss party boosted: I hate stars me: hahaha why do u hate stars? boosted: I just dont like it boosted: lemme throw this out there boosted: I dont know exactly when these guys are going to pay boosted: I would think in a week or two boosted: instead of loaning me money boosted: would you like some of my action and just BR me on FTP until I get my funds released? boosted: stake me and I'll provide makeup if I lose boosted: that way it's 100% no loss for you me: whoa me: what's in it for you though? boosted: I borrowed 10k from someone else boosted: and they are freaking out boosted: that I'm playing 1 table of 25/50 ring boosted: so it might be easier just to deal with you boosted: and that way boosted: I dont feel bad borrowing 30k from you boosted: and I can play more freely me: okay sure me: sounds like a win win situation for both of us boosted: I think so boosted: I have $25k on ftp right now boosted: if you give me another $10k I can pay this dude off boosted: and I'll just play straight for you me: okay me: boosted j? boosted: 50/50 chop boosted: I keep good records me: sounds fair boosted: Boosted J me: okay me: alright it's sent boosted: AA boosted: can I trap someone boosted: trying to bully this shortstack boosted: lol me: haha just opened up ur table boosted: BOOOOOOO boosted: niberns boosted: go all-in me: yea that's a good spot to call wiht AA me: hahahahaha me: i like it a lot boosted: espagainst a shortstack me: yea boosted: if someone has 99 boosted: they repop boosted: oh [censored] boosted: lol me: lol boosted: good turn boosted: I like it boosted: I dont wanna bet flop boosted: then if niberns CR's me boosted: I have no idea where I stand me: i think i'd like a Q turn better boosted: yeah me: then AQ QK are real confident boosted: that works real well too boosted: so kay boosted: kay boosted: just to finalize details boosted: you sent me 40 boosted: but my account started with 25 boosted: when you started taking action boosted: obv if you break even boosted: until I get my money back boosted: you'll get 40 back boosted: not 25 boosted: you understand? me: k boosted: if you want me to boosted: if you got UB I'll go rape bruiser boosted: aka clowntown boosted: lol me: grimstarr lost like.. 50k to nlberns last night at 50/100 HU me: nah i don't have any UB ok um... i guess that's why it says I sent him 10k after the 30k... I'll find the chat where I sent him the next 20k... why in the world did i do that.. ok here it is. boosted: we're [censored] down now boosted: we were up like 5 total boosted: literally 5 mins ago boosted: that stupid hand boosted: first hand boosted: oh [censored] boosted: pair + gutshot boosted: in 3 bet pot boosted: I whiff boosted: I need more chips me: u serious? boosted: I'm on multiple tables boosted: I didnt bust 40k obv me: i'll send u 10k more k? boosted: I guess it's up to you boosted: this tournament donkey boosted: is playing me boosted: it's a great spot me: 50/1? boosted: Impreium boosted: yep boosted: he's got 77k on the table boosted: from the last victim boosted: KK here me: meh i'll send u 20k more? boosted: watch boosted: look boosted: you wtaching boosted: I got KK me: k boosted: vs AK boosted: all in pre boosted: he hits boosted: look boosted: do you see that I guess I don't really remember sending him 20k more cuz it wasn't a big deal to me since I obv thought I was getting it all back anyway.. I don't chase losses.. ugh.. i'm so naive well here's it all.. |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
him: stake me and <u>I'll provide</u> makeup if I lose
him: that way it's 100% no loss for you Am I the only one to think the underlined is key? Boosted should be supplying the makeup himself, until he has enough to pay the OP back, which is why Boosted stated it's 100% risk free. But enough of this silly debating - OP should just get a lawyer if Boosted doesn't agree to pay, and settle it in court. |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Isn't there a huge conflict of interest when you are playing on two different staking deals where the stakers are not in communication with each other? I can see it working in tournaments when one will stake certain tourneys, and the other will stake the rest. Or they can work out a deal where they split your action. However, taking two staking deals without working out details with each staker is really shady. [/ QUOTE ] Mine and yoguh's staking deal is over. He has opted not to post more money for me to make up the stake, therefore, I cannot win his money back, and for some reason he thinks I'm going to just drop $30k out of my pocket. [/ QUOTE ] ??? And where did the deal with Neutrality go?? Paying me 30k is definitely a better deal for you in terms of EV than playing 10/20 for me and your friend. [/ QUOTE ] I'm going by what the stake was, and it was clear between you and I, that I would make that money back up if you continued to "keep staking me in the game" like I told you 10x in our other chats, and you said you would. You're not keeping me in the game, which is making me be unable to win your money back. [/ QUOTE ] ??? We agreed to have someone else stake you but I would only get 50% of the profits and he would get the other 50%. This way I won't have to risk anything more but I woudldn't have the chance to make back 60k, only 30k. Why are you trying to deny this now and get all technical?! |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
Jeez I can't believe I read this [censored]. Two people I don't know arguing about money.
A: You owe me $30k, pay me back pls. B: I don't have it. But lend me another $30k and I can win it back. Alarm bells should be ringing for A, whose reply should have been: A: You're trying to change the deal. Just give me the $30k. It really looks like B was trying to pull a move here, and wanted to welsh on his debt. |
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
Seriously Filth, stop debating here and consult a lawyer.
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Re: 60k \"Staking\" dispute
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him: stake me and <u>I'll provide</u> makeup if I lose him: that way it's 100% no loss for you Am I the only one to think the underlined is key? Boosted should be supplying the makeup himself, until he has enough to pay the OP back, which is why Boosted stated it's 100% risk free. But enough of this silly debating - OP should just get a bunch of toughs with baseball bats if Boosted doesn't agree to pay, and settle it in a parking lot . [/ QUOTE ] FYP |
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