60k "Staking" dispute

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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I'd like to see the DAYS worth of convo about this stake as well. Go ahead, post it, it is very evident you knew it was a stake. Although, I'll be fortunate if you dont proof read it and edit it first. Really a shame my comp doesnt log AIM convos.

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Classic. Blaming the victim through the use of language meant to lead others into questioning the integrity of OP who was clearly mislead and bamboozled. Nothing more than a vailed ad hominem. And coming from the lying hustler himself no less. There is no way you can turn this around boosted. Wake up and smell the coffee, it's crystal clear in everyone's mind that you conned OP.

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It can't possibly be "crystal clear" until we've seen the IMs between them other than the 10 lines we saw in OP. For all we know they fleshed things out over the course of the next couple days. Obviously with our evidence Boosted looks really bad in this but we really can't know what happened between them in other chats.

[The.Filth]

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Isn't there a huge conflict of interest when you are playing on two different staking deals where the stakers are not in communication with each other? I can see it working in tournaments when one will stake certain tourneys, and the other will stake the rest. Or they can work out a deal where they split your action. However, taking two staking deals without working out details with each staker is really shady.

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Mine and yoguh's staking deal is over. He has opted not to post more money for me to make up the stake, therefore, I cannot win his money back, and for some reason he thinks I'm going to just drop $30k out of my pocket.

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??? And where did the deal with Neutrality go?? Paying me 30k is definitely a better deal for you in terms of EV than playing 10/20 for me and your friend.

[Boosted J]

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dracospinner rules...

PokerStars Game #10011992462: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/05/20 - 10:33:02 (ET)
Table 'Massalia II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Dracospinner ($8776 in chips)
Seat 2: VoodooWizard ($6202.50 in chips)
Seat 3: ktrieu ($18124.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Boosted J ($5535 in chips)
Seat 5: Weeman121 ($1050 in chips)
Seat 6: janwillem111 ($6218 in chips)
Seat 7: alexeimartov ($6813 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($7554 in chips)
Weeman121: posts small blind $25
janwillem111: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
alexeimartov: folds
H@££INGGOL: folds
Dracospinner: raises $150 to $200
VoodooWizard: folds
ktrieu: folds
Boosted J: raises $450 to $650
Weeman121: folds
janwillem111: folds
Dracospinner: calls $450
*** FLOP *** [7c Th Kc]
Dracospinner: checks
Boosted J: bets $875
Dracospinner: calls $875
*** TURN *** [7c Th Kc] [9d]
Dracospinner: checks
Boosted J: bets $4010 and is all-in
Dracospinner: calls $4010
*** RIVER *** [7c Th Kc 9d] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dracospinner: shows [Js 8s] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Boosted J: mucks hand
Dracospinner collected $11142 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11145 | Rake $3
Board [7c Th Kc 9d 4h]
Seat 1: Dracospinner showed [Js 8s] and won ($11142) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 2: VoodooWizard folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ktrieu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Boosted J (button) mucked
Seat 5: Weeman121 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: janwillem111 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: alexeimartov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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had AA

[Boosted J]

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Isn't there a huge conflict of interest when you are playing on two different staking deals where the stakers are not in communication with each other? I can see it working in tournaments when one will stake certain tourneys, and the other will stake the rest. Or they can work out a deal where they split your action. However, taking two staking deals without working out details with each staker is really shady.

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Mine and yoguh's staking deal is over. He has opted not to post more money for me to make up the stake, therefore, I cannot win his money back, and for some reason he thinks I'm going to just drop $30k out of my pocket.

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??? And where did the deal with Neutrality go?? Paying me 30k is definitely a better deal for you in terms of EV than playing 10/20 for me and your friend.

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I'm going by what the stake was, and it was clear between you and I, that I would make that money back up if you continued to "keep staking me in the game" like I told you 10x in our other chats, and you said you would. You're not keeping me in the game, which is making me be unable to win your money back.

[The.Filth]

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It seems like OP should post the entire contents of their conversation(s). He hasn't denied that they spent a lot of time talking... so when he only posts a couple of lines, my natural assumption is that he picked the portion that reflected best on his side of the case. Normally I'd say it's none of our [censored] business, but by posting this thread he has tarnished boosted's rep to a certain degree, so it seems at this point that the best thing to do would be to come out with all the evidence.

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We did talk a lot those few days, but not about staking. I'll post starting from when I lent boosted 30k until the convo drifts off. Then I'll post when he asks me for the "stake" and the convo drifts off. It really isn't much. It's just a lot of work to edit out the screen names but I'll do it.

Saturday, April 28, 2007
4:26 PM
boosted: yo
me: yo yo
boosted: I need a big favor
me: sup?
boosted: I need to ask you for a short term loan
boosted: I'm very short with online chips
boosted: I got plenty of money but not online chips
me: how much do u need?
boosted: probably as much as you can do, I'd like to borrow from a few different people
boosted: I dont know how much you trust me or w/e
boosted: but my word is pretty gold
me: i trust u
me: u going to wsop this year?
boosted: possibly, although I'm only still 19
me: um... how much are u looking to get?
me: ah i turn 21 on july 1st
boosted: what day does the main event start?
boosted: probably 50-60
me: july 6th
boosted: oh [censored]
boosted: good for you then lol
boosted: rip the donks
me: hahaha if i win i'll prob be the youngest winner ever
me: hahaha
boosted: heh
me: are u going to send me free money back as interest [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
boosted: :X
boosted: well idk
me: hehehe
me: i'll send u 30 ok?
boosted: that'd be great
me: when are u planning to send it back?
boosted: I'd appreciate it tons
boosted: I'd really like to send back to you
boosted: in 2-3 days
boosted: but
boosted: there's a chance that might not happen I'd say
me: k
boosted: I mean def within 1 month
me: okay
boosted: but way less
boosted: most likely
boosted: tyvm
boosted: for some reason
boosted: everyone is acting super stingy
boosted: its like dumb
boosted: I do lots of favors for other people
me: ahh yea
me: well i don't play on ftp anymore
me: and i still have a bit there
boosted: tru
me: so it doesn't really hurt me
me: unless u run away
me: hahahaha
me: what's ur name on ftp?
boosted: tight lol
me: boostedj?
boosted: "Boosted J"
me: k
boosted: a space
boosted: in between
me: it's sent
me: how much have u made from poker?

And here it drifts off...

So here the convo is just reg poker convo.. then the staking part.. then it goes to reg poker convo again.. and this is the whole chat relavent to borrowing and staking.

me: ah
me: cuz i play stars
me: and i'm thinking after i make 100 or 200k from 5/10 i may want to play 25/50
me: but it's always fr
boosted: same game
boosted: just gotta tighten up
boosted: man
boosted: I miss party
boosted: I hate stars
me: hahaha why do u hate stars?
boosted: I just dont like it
boosted: lemme throw this out there
boosted: I dont know exactly when these guys are going to pay
boosted: I would think in a week or two
boosted: instead of loaning me money
boosted: would you like some of my action and just BR me on FTP until I get my funds released?
boosted: stake me and I'll provide makeup if I lose
boosted: that way it's 100% no loss for you
me: whoa
me: what's in it for you though?
boosted: I borrowed 10k from someone else
boosted: and they are freaking out
boosted: that I'm playing 1 table of 25/50 ring
boosted: so it might be easier just to deal with you
boosted: and that way
boosted: I dont feel bad borrowing 30k from you
boosted: and I can play more freely
me: okay sure
me: sounds like a win win situation for both of us
boosted: I think so
boosted: I have $25k on ftp right now
boosted: if you give me another $10k I can pay this dude off
boosted: and I'll just play straight for you
me: okay
me: boosted j?
boosted: 50/50 chop
boosted: I keep good records
me: sounds fair
boosted: Boosted J
me: okay
me: alright it's sent
boosted: AA
boosted: can I trap someone
boosted: trying to bully this shortstack
boosted: lol
me: haha just opened up ur table
boosted: BOOOOOOO
boosted: niberns
boosted: go all-in
me: yea that's a good spot to call wiht AA
me: hahahahaha
me: i like it a lot
boosted: espagainst a shortstack
me: yea
boosted: if someone has 99
boosted: they repop
boosted: oh [censored]
boosted: lol
me: lol
boosted: good turn
boosted: I like it
boosted: I dont wanna bet flop
boosted: then if niberns CR's me
boosted: I have no idea where I stand
me: i think i'd like a Q turn better
boosted: yeah
me: then AQ QK are real confident
boosted: that works real well too
boosted: so kay
boosted: kay
boosted: just to finalize details
boosted: you sent me 40
boosted: but my account started with 25
boosted: when you started taking action
boosted: obv if you break even
boosted: until I get my money back
boosted: you'll get 40 back
boosted: not 25
boosted: you understand?
me: k
boosted: if you want me to
boosted: if you got UB I'll go rape bruiser
boosted: aka clowntown
boosted: lol
me: grimstarr lost like.. 50k to nlberns last night at 50/100 HU
me: nah i don't have any UB

ok um... i guess that's why it says I sent him 10k after the 30k... I'll find the chat where I sent him the next 20k... why in the world did i do that..

ok here it is.

boosted: we're [censored] down now
boosted: we were up like 5 total
boosted: literally 5 mins ago
boosted: that stupid hand
boosted: first hand
boosted: oh [censored]
boosted: pair + gutshot
boosted: in 3 bet pot
boosted: I whiff
boosted: I need more chips
me: u serious?
boosted: I'm on multiple tables
boosted: I didnt bust 40k obv
me: i'll send u 10k more k?
boosted: I guess it's up to you
boosted: this tournament donkey
boosted: is playing me
boosted: it's a great spot
me: 50/1?
boosted: Impreium
boosted: yep
boosted: he's got 77k on the table
boosted: from the last victim
boosted: KK here
me: meh i'll send u 20k more?
boosted: watch
boosted: look
boosted: you wtaching
boosted: I got KK
me: k
boosted: vs AK
boosted: all in pre
boosted: he hits
boosted: look
boosted: do you see that

I guess I don't really remember sending him 20k more cuz it wasn't a big deal to me since I obv thought I was getting it all back anyway.. I don't chase losses.. ugh.. i'm so naive

well here's it all..

[Poker monkey]

him: stake me and <u>I'll provide</u> makeup if I lose
him: that way it's 100% no loss for you

Am I the only one to think the underlined is key? Boosted should be supplying the makeup himself, until he has enough to pay the OP back, which is why Boosted stated it's 100% risk free.

But enough of this silly debating - OP should just get a lawyer if Boosted doesn't agree to pay, and settle it in court.

[The.Filth]

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Isn't there a huge conflict of interest when you are playing on two different staking deals where the stakers are not in communication with each other? I can see it working in tournaments when one will stake certain tourneys, and the other will stake the rest. Or they can work out a deal where they split your action. However, taking two staking deals without working out details with each staker is really shady.

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Mine and yoguh's staking deal is over. He has opted not to post more money for me to make up the stake, therefore, I cannot win his money back, and for some reason he thinks I'm going to just drop $30k out of my pocket.

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??? And where did the deal with Neutrality go?? Paying me 30k is definitely a better deal for you in terms of EV than playing 10/20 for me and your friend.

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I'm going by what the stake was, and it was clear between you and I, that I would make that money back up if you continued to "keep staking me in the game" like I told you 10x in our other chats, and you said you would. You're not keeping me in the game, which is making me be unable to win your money back.

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??? We agreed to have someone else stake you but I would only get 50% of the profits and he would get the other 50%. This way I won't have to risk anything more but I woudldn't have the chance to make back 60k, only 30k. Why are you trying to deny this now and get all technical?!

[luckyjimm]

Jeez I can't believe I read this [censored]. Two people I don't know arguing about money.

A: You owe me $30k, pay me back pls.
B: I don't have it. But lend me another $30k and I can win it back.

Alarm bells should be ringing for A, whose reply should have been:

A: You're trying to change the deal. Just give me the $30k.

It really looks like B was trying to pull a move here, and wanted to welsh on his debt.

[Poker monkey]

Seriously Filth, stop debating here and consult a lawyer.

[luckyjimm]

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him: stake me and <u>I'll provide</u> makeup if I lose
him: that way it's 100% no loss for you

Am I the only one to think the underlined is key? Boosted should be supplying the makeup himself, until he has enough to pay the OP back, which is why Boosted stated it's 100% risk free.

But enough of this silly debating - OP should just get a bunch of toughs with baseball bats if Boosted doesn't agree to pay, and settle it in a parking lot .

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FYP