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50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
Villain appears to be TAG so far, with a twist. He loves floating me. He's done it once an orbit or so. Maybe he thinks I'm FOS, since I've been getting hit by the deck and thus raising pf a lot. Every other time he's folded to my cbet. Once, I opened from the button after a fish limped, he 3bet from the SB, I flat call. Flop is rags, he leads for about the pot, I come over the top, he folds. Other than that, its been him calling my opens in position or from the blinds, and then folding.
Did I induce a bluff here, or is this pure value bet? Is he maybe valuebetting a worse hand? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Button ($47.05) SB ($76.75) BB ($51.90) Hero ($115.60) MP ($10.80) CO ($51.50) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($6.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5, SB folds. Turn: ($16.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $11.5</font>, Hero calls $11.50. River: ($39.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $16.5</font>, Hero... |
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
I'd say that given your read there's a pretty good chance you're ahead here.
A better ace isn't that likely because of pf. And against a range of 77/88/78/9T/56/[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/air float, I think your best move is to CRAI on the turn. Good for metagame against floaty mcfloaterson too. |
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
This looks too small to be a bluff tbh. And I don't think he's value-betting worse.
I'd fold. |
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
I think the flop texture the times you have previously been floated is important. Were they on wet boards like this? Or had you been cbetting into raggy flops/getting floated?
Would villain not 3b pf with AK? And would he not usually rr flop with AQ/AK/77/88? I think most ok TAGs would do both those things. I think on turn c/c is clearly correct. But by river his range must be down to {77, 88, AQ, AK, AT-, Busted draw/air}. Meh, I think we might be getting Valuetowned here, although I spew-call a lot as I find it hard to put him on a hand he plays like this given history. Redd: crai on turn seems nasty to me. I just can't see a worse hand or a draw calling. And I don't think it's as good for metagame as you say as the floater will just think to himself (if he has worse than AJ): "yeah, right, I'm not paying you off the one time you have a hand...if that's the best you've got to counteract my floating and get value then bring it on". |
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
Thinking about it, I'd actually just bet turn again. Most of his range is draws and air when he calls flop, so I'd just fire again for protection/value against draws. The average NL50 guy isn't (semi-)bluff raising the turn much, so you can easily fold to a raise.
c/c is ok if you have a plan for a blank river I guess. My default would be to c/f river unless I have a read that he's capable of double barreling in a spot like this. c/rAI turn is terrible with this hand imo. I'd much rather c/rai a floater with JhTh than AJ... |
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
Giving up the lead on the turn was a mistake, you basically said "I have no ace" versus a guy you suspect is floating you! He won't need any more reason to take you to task and test you relentlessly until the hand is over. He could have a big hand, he could not! But you'll never know for sure unless you bet that turn. Frankly, I think my read is mute here, as your actions widen his range to almost anything!
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
I think I would bet the turn here, or at the very least I might bet $10 on the river.
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
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Giving up the lead on the turn was a mistake, you basically said "I have no ace" versus a guy you suspect is floating you! [/ QUOTE ] OK, so what am I calling the turn with? He's not betting the river if he put me on a draw. |
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Re: 50NL: Am I getting taken to Valuetown?
plz bet turn
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