bluff turns into TP deepish - Page 2

delta k · #11 05-19-2007, 02:45 PM

I'd just shove because I don't fold and c/c is dirt nasty.

Percussion · #12 05-19-2007, 02:45 PM

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c/c is SO gross

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shoving is much worse. I dont think villian plays AA like this. He could have TT right?

Grandezza · #13 05-19-2007, 02:48 PM

What do you do with air here? If you 3-barrel with air you have to also have it sometimes. What percentage should you be 3-barreling with air and what percentage should you be valueshoving this river?

john kane · #14 05-19-2007, 02:49 PM

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i like shoving for overall meta implications.

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hear hear.

Jay Riall · #15 05-19-2007, 02:49 PM

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c/c is SO gross

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shoving is much worse. I dont think villian plays AA like this. He could have TT right?

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Check/call is literally burning money. Hes never valuebetting worse and why/what hands would he be bluffing here? Whereas he may make a hero call with QJ, AQ, w/e if we shove.

BalugaWhale · #16 05-19-2007, 02:51 PM

i feel like hes gotta have KQ and QQ easily as often as he has AQ, and he obv always calls with those, and may fold AQ

so, c/f is better than shoving I think

delta k · #17 05-19-2007, 02:53 PM

What do you think villain does w/ QJ or TT if we check here?

BalugaWhale · #18 05-19-2007, 02:54 PM

checks.

Jay Riall · #19 05-19-2007, 02:59 PM

Yeah, no way is he going for value with any hand that beats us. He mmmmmaaaaayyyyyyy turn turn a hand like TT into a bluff, but I really doubt it.

delta k · #20 05-19-2007, 03:00 PM

So those are probably the weak end of his spectrum and he can't have anything to bluff so a bet means we're toast. c/f or shove then. KQ is about the only thing we are worried about, isn't it? I'd probably shove and hope he makes a hero call knowing this is a pretty good river for us to make a 3barrel bluff shove.