50NL squeeze gone awry

RandomHand · #1 05-19-2007, 02:10 PM

Why would you assume your ahead here?

UTG raises 25% of his hands, which includes all pairs, all suited Aces, all Broadway cards as well, and he's called a ReRaise OOP and still has One to act behind him. He may be LAG albeit not hugely, but is he stupid...and what do you look like to him?

I think your racing at best, AND will get a call from UTG most likely. Surely there are better spots than this right?

Entropy4 · #2 05-19-2007, 02:15 PM

Don't like the 3bet, hate the shove. Squeeze plays are WAY overrated in cash games. Stop doing stupid crap like this. Not only is it -EV, but it annoys the hell out of everyone else at the table as it turns the game in a crap shoot.

jezmond · #3 05-19-2007, 08:20 PM

PokerStars Game #8563710573: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/02/22 - 05:19:32 (ET)
Table 'Alkmene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: erence Hill ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 2: DaGreenster ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Supwithbates ($27.10 in chips)
Seat 4: junoooo ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: xmc202 ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: Duaners ($23.80 in chips)
Duaners: posts small blind $0.10
erence Hill: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Duaners [As 3s]
DaGreenster: folds
Supwithbates: raises $0.75 to $1
junoooo: calls $1
xmc202: folds
Duaners: calls $0.90
erence Hill: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [2h 4h 6s]
Duaners: checks
erence Hill: checks
Supwithbates: bets $3
junoooo: calls $3
Duaners: folds
erence Hill: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 4h 6s] [6c]
Supwithbates: checks
junoooo: bets $7.25
Supwithbates: raises $15.85 to $23.10 and is all-in
junoooo: calls $13.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2h 4h 6s 6c] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Supwithbates: shows [Ah Kh] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
junoooo: shows [3d 3c] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
junoooo collected $48.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.30 | Rake $2.50
Board [2h 4h 6s 6c 2d]
Seat 1: erence Hill (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: DaGreenster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Supwithbates showed [Ah Kh] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Deuces
Seat 4: junoooo showed [3d 3c] and won ($48.80) with two pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 5: xmc202 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Duaners (small blind) folded on the Flop

Supwithbates said, "awful"
Supwithbates said, "thats not balls that is ******ed"
Supwithbates said, "buddylsisted"
Supwithbates said, "at best he had like 60% equity best case scenario"
Supwithbates said, "which it was for him"
Supwithbates said, "anyone that doesn't play the hand same way is stupid"
Supwithbates said, "checkraise allin"
Supwithbates said, "standard"
Supwithbates said, "I had a lot of outs"
Supwithbates said, "if u check behind"
Supwithbates said, "which u should have"
Supwithbates said, "on that board"
Supwithbates said, "betting is AWFUL"
Supwithbates said, "given preflop"
Supwithbates said, "absolutely atrocious"
Supwithbates said, "33 that bet is horrid"
Supwithbates said, "whatever, I'm missing every hand, every draw at this table, I'm still up 200$ on the day"
Supwithbates said, "headsup?"
Supwithbates said, "quit making excuses and play me"

prodonkey · #4 05-19-2007, 09:01 PM

he put him on AK?

jezmond · #5 05-20-2007, 12:05 AM

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he put him on AK?

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It would be fair to put him on worse, seeing as he's prepared to shove preflop with AJ.

Supwithbates · #6 05-22-2007, 03:09 AM

jezmond, I love how you make judgments on me based on a 22 hand sample and 28 total posts here... you've really got me pegged, don't you? "Recent stats," lmao. ANyways, what's your point in posting this? To flame me, for what? If you have a problem with my table conduct, send me a pm, don't hijack an existing thread. Or talk to me about it at the tables, I'm a reasonable guy. Hijacking my unrelated thread is just rude.

Jgunnip, yep, I do make mistakes from time to time, I think this one is involving the fact that it's 6 hours into an 8 hour session, you've been 3 and 4betting me light, and I'm playing 8 tables at once and sometimes feel rushed. Thanks for contributing to an unwarranted flamefest though, I honestly expected better from you.

And to be fair, I don't ever berate fish unless they start talking trash to me first. If someone makes a donkey play and starts talking trash about it, I'll throw it right back at them. I have a temper. But I don't just randomly go off on fish that make bad plays or bad calls or anything like that... I think your classifications of me are both unfair and misleading. If villains are silent, so am I. If they want to talk about the hand, I'm more than willing to, but I'm not about to pretend someone calling shoves with underpairs is anything but a fish.

Vyse · #7 05-22-2007, 03:19 AM

You should be silent anyway. Sometimes I berate players -- but good ones, never bad ones, and even then I know it's dumb, but I do it anyway. No need to make excuses for it.

jgunnip · #8 05-19-2007, 09:16 PM

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PokerStars Game #8563710573: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/02/22 - 05:19:32 (ET)
Table 'Alkmene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: erence Hill ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 2: DaGreenster ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Supwithbates ($27.10 in chips)
Seat 4: junoooo ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: xmc202 ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: Duaners ($23.80 in chips)
Duaners: posts small blind $0.10
erence Hill: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Duaners [As 3s]
DaGreenster: folds
Supwithbates: raises $0.75 to $1
junoooo: calls $1
xmc202: folds
Duaners: calls $0.90
erence Hill: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [2h 4h 6s]
Duaners: checks
erence Hill: checks
Supwithbates: bets $3
junoooo: calls $3
Duaners: folds
erence Hill: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 4h 6s] [6c]
Supwithbates: checks
junoooo: bets $7.25
Supwithbates: raises $15.85 to $23.10 and is all-in
junoooo: calls $13.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2h 4h 6s 6c] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Supwithbates: shows [Ah Kh] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
junoooo: shows [3d 3c] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
junoooo collected $48.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.30 | Rake $2.50
Board [2h 4h 6s 6c 2d]
Seat 1: erence Hill (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: DaGreenster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Supwithbates showed [Ah Kh] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Deuces
Seat 4: junoooo showed [3d 3c] and won ($48.80) with two pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 5: xmc202 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Duaners (small blind) folded on the Flop

Supwithbates said, "awful"
Supwithbates said, "thats not balls that is ******ed"
Supwithbates said, "buddylsisted"
Supwithbates said, "at best he had like 60% equity best case scenario"
Supwithbates said, "which it was for him"
Supwithbates said, "anyone that doesn't play the hand same way is stupid"
Supwithbates said, "checkraise allin"
Supwithbates said, "standard"
Supwithbates said, "I had a lot of outs"
Supwithbates said, "if u check behind"
Supwithbates said, "which u should have"
Supwithbates said, "on that board"
Supwithbates said, "betting is AWFUL"
Supwithbates said, "given preflop"
Supwithbates said, "absolutely atrocious"
Supwithbates said, "33 that bet is horrid"
Supwithbates said, "whatever, I'm missing every hand, every draw at this table, I'm still up 200$ on the day"
Supwithbates said, "headsup?"
Supwithbates said, "quit making excuses and play me"

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yea he did this at one of my tables the other day too. Sup, Plz stop be berating the fish and talking about the forums and your stats at the table. LESS WHINING MORE POKER.

Also while I'm at it, I'll post this beauty. Villan is Sup. Preflop is really really bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($52.50)
SB ($7.75)
BB ($88.20)
Hero ($73.15)
MP ($90.60)
CO ($52.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $15.

Flop: ($40.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $32.5 (All-In), Hero calls $32.50.

Turn: ($105.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($105.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $105.75

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and queens).
Button has Kh Ad (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $105.75. 

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

/bash

prodonkey · #9 05-19-2007, 09:37 PM

ya calling 45% of your stack preflop isn't very good.

Fiksdal · #10 05-22-2007, 01:08 PM

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PokerStars Game #8563710573: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/02/22 - 05:19:32 (ET)
Table 'Alkmene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: erence Hill ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 2: DaGreenster ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Supwithbates ($27.10 in chips)
Seat 4: junoooo ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: xmc202 ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: Duaners ($23.80 in chips)
Duaners: posts small blind $0.10
erence Hill: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Duaners [As 3s]
DaGreenster: folds
Supwithbates: raises $0.75 to $1
junoooo: calls $1
xmc202: folds
Duaners: calls $0.90
erence Hill: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [2h 4h 6s]
Duaners: checks
erence Hill: checks
Supwithbates: bets $3
junoooo: calls $3
Duaners: folds
erence Hill: folds
*** TURN *** [2h 4h 6s] [6c]
Supwithbates: checks
junoooo: bets $7.25
Supwithbates: raises $15.85 to $23.10 and is all-in
junoooo: calls $13.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2h 4h 6s 6c] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Supwithbates: shows [Ah Kh] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
junoooo: shows [3d 3c] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
junoooo collected $48.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.30 | Rake $2.50
Board [2h 4h 6s 6c 2d]
Seat 1: erence Hill (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: DaGreenster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Supwithbates showed [Ah Kh] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Deuces
Seat 4: junoooo showed [3d 3c] and won ($48.80) with two pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 5: xmc202 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Duaners (small blind) folded on the Flop

Supwithbates said, "awful"
Supwithbates said, "thats not balls that is ******ed"
Supwithbates said, "buddylsisted"
Supwithbates said, "at best he had like 60% equity best case scenario"
Supwithbates said, "which it was for him"
Supwithbates said, "anyone that doesn't play the hand same way is stupid"
Supwithbates said, "checkraise allin"
Supwithbates said, "standard"
Supwithbates said, "I had a lot of outs"
Supwithbates said, "if u check behind"
Supwithbates said, "which u should have"
Supwithbates said, "on that board"
Supwithbates said, "betting is AWFUL"
Supwithbates said, "given preflop"
Supwithbates said, "absolutely atrocious"
Supwithbates said, "33 that bet is horrid"
Supwithbates said, "whatever, I'm missing every hand, every draw at this table, I'm still up 200$ on the day"
Supwithbates said, "headsup?"
Supwithbates said, "quit making excuses and play me"

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This is a very clear example of Bates being put on AK. Clearly he got pwned here. It's pretty obvious that villain said "I put him on AK" out loud before he makes this call.