1/2NL game at my B&M beatable? (Crown Casino, Melbourne, Australia)

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Australia in general rapes you with rake.

Star City in Sydney has 75c per person per hand for 5/10. So splitting the blinds makes the casino $7.50. That's over $200/hr as well, and since it's taken evenly from each player it hurts TAGs especially.

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From what i've heard star city is far worse that crown, but then again i've only spoken to a few people about star city.

This is mainly because of the regulations that only allow one casino per state/capital city (something along these lines)

[maxel100]

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Dearest AshTrayBloom,
Despite the negative views expressed by the many responses to this thread the 1/2NL game is actually beatable. Although i play the 2/3NL at the crown and although losing my first session have won my last few and is current up around 4 buyins. Talking with many in crown i know many players, some of the best players to add, which can consistently beat the 1/2 game. To my suprise some of the 1/2 players will be entering the world series and have entered the aussie millions. They choose the 1/2 NL over the other options because it is a way to improve there reads on opponents. Ultimatley though the game is beatable but the standard of play has to increase which may seem suprising considering the lower standard of opponent.
I hope this response has help you in your endervours as a poker player and i hope to see you at crown tomz tonight...

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So what you're telling me is that 4 full buyins come of the table an hour and you can properly beat it with the rake.

Why would players who play in the wsop and aussie millions play a 30bb cap game, its very hard to improve your reads in a shove/fold type game. Your limited sample size is really insignificant to many 2p2ers who have been playing games like this for years and years.

When they tell you its unbeatable in the LONG RUN, not over a few measly sessions i think you should take their advice

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The 2/3NL is 100% beatable over the long run. I know saying 5/6 sessions i have finished up isnt proof of a beatable game but i can tell you it is. Because your hands always get paid off, sometimes by horrendous hands. The 1/2NL game however is a different situation but is still beatable over the long run. There are people that have been playing it for over a year and have consistently beat it on a daily basis. When i say its good for your reads, it really is. Its not a push/fold game and most hands see a flop. But with these games there are alot of new players who tend to over bluff and you need to work out whether your middle pair or Ace high and could be good. It does improve tells in the long run.

[neuroman]

So no rake at 5/10 LHE? Curious because I will be in Melbourne for four months later this year.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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Dearest AshTrayBloom,
Despite the negative views expressed by the many responses to this thread the 1/2NL game is actually beatable. Although i play the 2/3NL at the crown and although losing my first session have won my last few and is current up around 4 buyins. Talking with many in crown i know many players, some of the best players to add, which can consistently beat the 1/2 game. To my suprise some of the 1/2 players will be entering the world series and have entered the aussie millions. They choose the 1/2 NL over the other options because it is a way to improve there reads on opponents. Ultimatley though the game is beatable but the standard of play has to increase which may seem suprising considering the lower standard of opponent.
I hope this response has help you in your endervours as a poker player and i hope to see you at crown tomz tonight...

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Are you telling him to put money on a table that 1) caps buy in at $60, 2) has a standard time charge PLUS 3) rakes 10%? Dear Lord, go buy a 6 pack and a stack of lottery tickets. You'll save money.

This game is absolutely unbeatable. Tiny cap plus huge rake = absolutely unbeatable.

[ShipitFMA]

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Dearest AshTrayBloom,
Despite the negative views expressed by the many responses to this thread the 1/2NL game is actually beatable. Although i play the 2/3NL at the crown and although losing my first session have won my last few and is current up around 4 buyins. Talking with many in crown i know many players, some of the best players to add, which can consistently beat the 1/2 game. To my suprise some of the 1/2 players will be entering the world series and have entered the aussie millions. They choose the 1/2 NL over the other options because it is a way to improve there reads on opponents. Ultimatley though the game is beatable but the standard of play has to increase which may seem suprising considering the lower standard of opponent.
I hope this response has help you in your endervours as a poker player and i hope to see you at crown tomz tonight...

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So what you're telling me is that 4 full buyins come of the table an hour and you can properly beat it with the rake.

Why would players who play in the wsop and aussie millions play a 30bb cap game, its very hard to improve your reads in a shove/fold type game. Your limited sample size is really insignificant to many 2p2ers who have been playing games like this for years and years.

When they tell you its unbeatable in the LONG RUN, not over a few measly sessions i think you should take their advice

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The 2/3NL is 100% beatable over the long run. I know saying 5/6 sessions i have finished up isnt proof of a beatable game but i can tell you it is. Because your hands always get paid off, sometimes by horrendous hands. The 1/2NL game however is a different situation but is still beatable over the long run. There are people that have been playing it for over a year and have consistently beat it on a daily basis. When i say its good for your reads, it really is. Its not a push/fold game and most hands see a flop. But with these games there are alot of new players who tend to over bluff and you need to work out whether your middle pair or Ace high and could be good. It does improve tells in the long run.

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They must not be beating it for very much considering they've been grinding the same stakes for a year on a 'daily basis'...
Although you may have spoken to some players who have seen profits at this game when the house is taking 4 buyins of the table every hour you have to be constantly running pretty hot to beat this game for a decent amount of money.

Im not debating whether the 2/3 is beatable though, I've absolutely no doubt that it is. But in reality a 30BB cap game is not the game to 'hone in your reads'.

FMA

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I emailed them a year ago and they told me the smallest limit game they provide was 4/8 with a rake of 10% to $8. Is that still correct?

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Nope, they got rid of 4/8 and replaced it with 5/10. You can play 2/4 on PokerPro tables.

[maxel100]

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They must not be beating it for very much considering they've been grinding the same stakes for a year on a 'daily basis'...
Although you may have spoken to some players who have seen profits at this game when the house is taking 4 buyins of the table every hour you have to be constantly running pretty hot to beat this game for a decent amount of money.

FMA

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They actually are beating it for a large margin. My understanding is they are beating it for $40+ an hour from the figures they were telling me. Also it really is a game to hone in on your reads as many players are backwards player, betting there weak hands and slow playing there strong hands. To be succesful in this Limit you have to be very aware of your opponents and there style of play. I do agree that this game is hard to beat, and you have to be a well above average player to do this. That being said this game though is still 100% beatable in the logn run for a healthy profit.

MJR industries...

[ShipitFMA]

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They must not be beating it for very much considering they've been grinding the same stakes for a year on a 'daily basis'...
Although you may have spoken to some players who have seen profits at this game when the house is taking 4 buyins of the table every hour you have to be constantly running pretty hot to beat this game for a decent amount of money.

FMA

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They actually are beating it for a large margin. My understanding is they are beating it for $40+ an hour from the figures they were telling me. Also it really is a game to hone in on your reads as many players are backwards player, betting there weak hands and slow playing there strong hands. To be succesful in this Limit you have to be very aware of your opponents and there style of play. I do agree that this game is hard to beat, and you have to be a well above average player to do this. That being said this game though is still 100% beatable in the logn run for a healthy profit.

MJR industries...

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a reliable source is telling me you suck.

Game over

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I was thinking the other day that the 1/2NL game at winstar was barely beatable with 5+1 rake and 100-200 buyin, lol. $60 fixed buyin, $6 rake, $5 time charge, is NOT EVEN CLOSE to beatable. End of discussion.

[ShipitFMA]

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I was thinking the other day that the 1/2NL game at winstar was barely beatable with 5+1 rake and 100-200 buyin, lol. $60 fixed buyin, $6 rake, $5 time charge, is NOT EVEN CLOSE to beatable. End of discussion.

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It's pretty laughable that maxel100 thinks its beatable for $40 an hour