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Old 05-18-2007, 03:19 AM
Kyle Flynn Kyle Flynn is offline
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Default FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

Ok, so here the hand is. Villain is 15.8/5.3 through 50 hands. I'd like to hear whether or not my preflop call is reasonable? What does this type of raise (from UTG @ FT) mean to you? What do you think of my flop call?

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t800/t1600
(Ante: t75)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t41998
UTG+1: t62798
CO: t42235
Button: t19243
SB: t73036
Hero: t30690

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to t8000</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls t6400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t10850)</font>.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t17250, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in t33923</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in t22615</font>.
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Old 05-18-2007, 06:53 AM
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Default Re: FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

His raise size, with those stats, means he's not folding ever. Once you call pf, you have to call if you flop an ace. Normally, I'd shove OTT pf with that hand in BB, but that's when I think there is some chance villain might fold but as he's not going to, I think folding is fine. Calling off so much of your stack without a plan is bad.
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

So, this hand is foldable preflop because of what the villains stats and raise size indicate?
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

Well, yes, but looking back at the OP, your stats cover 50 hands not 500 as I thought so it's not quite so clear. He's still not folding though but his opening range isn't as tight as I thought.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

When I get into situations like this I open the hand history box and look at any recent hands where opponent took down a good amount of chips.

If he opened with strong hands I'm more likely to fold.

If he presses small stacks with crap I'm more likely to push.

Given only 50 hands of history I pretty much ignore those stacks.....I prefer to rely on what he's shown down
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

Preflop fold &gt; push &gt; call. You got to call the flop.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: FT of 10/180 man. AJ hearts in bb.

In all honesty, my first thought was I should fold this. Why would UTG bet so largely? As someone stalled, began to think that folding this would be weak. I really wanted to fold, but called after convincing myself he might have a pp. The flop came and hit me. I decided to check and see what he would do, mostly expecting a check or CB. Instead, I got the shove. I called, and the forum vibe I'm getting is... once I flopped that Ace, I was obligated to call.

Thanks for the input. It helps me out.



Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t800/t1600
(Ante: t75)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t41998
UTG+1: t62798
CO: t42235
Button: t19243
SB: t73036
Hero: t30690

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to t8000</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls t6400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t10850)</font>.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t17250, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in t33923</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in t22615</font>.
Uncalled bets: t11308 returned to UTG.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t62480, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t62480)


River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t62480, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t62480)


Results:
Final pot: t62480
<font color="#ffffff">UTG showed As Kc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Ah Jh</font>
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