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Old 05-17-2007, 03:03 PM
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Default NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against shorty?


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Hero ($101.50)
MP1 ($101.30)
MP2 ($45.25)
MP3 ($27.60)
CO ($107.15)
Button ($110.95)
SB ($102.50)
BB ($101.35)
UTG ($136)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

Probably should not limp and definitely should not call raise versus short stack.

Flop: ($10.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $23.1 (All-In)</font>

Hero?

Lead this flop? Shove it?
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against shorty?

b/c
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against shorty?

raise pf b/c flopp as played call and learn some basic odds (not trying to sound like a [censored], serious suggestion)
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against sho

pretty easy call imo. we have 12 outs most of the time and 15 quite a bit of the time. I think c/r'ing is best on the flop because he's usually cbetting less and often folding t a raise whereas bet/calling induces pushes from hands that slightly beat us but that we'd rather they fold.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against sho

What odds are you saying that I should know here? Outs to the flush?
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against sho

you have 12 definite outs and probably 15 (i think the K is good alot) and maybe 18 sometimes (T could be good too). You have the odds for the worst case scenario and the others you are favourite


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Old 05-17-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against sho

fold pf, bet/call flop
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Old 05-17-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against sho

You should be able to estimate you're equity in the hand and then compare that to the equity you need dictated by the pot odds for it to be a call.
In this example it's probably best to assume that you have 12 outs on average: 9 for the FD and 3 for the gutshot (obviously you have 3 K's as outs a lot but this is probably offset by the times he has a set and has re-draws or he has the NFD and you have significantly less equity.) 12 outs corresponds to about 45% equity if I remember correctly. You're being given 33:23 or about 3:2 to the pot meaning you need to have 40% equity on avg. to break even and you probably have aout 45% against his range so it's a call.
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Old 05-17-2007, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: NL100 - K 10 sooooted flush draw on flop - how to play against sho

Yeah - I figured that I was actually ahead if the king was an out as well.

I called and he showed AKo with the ace of diamonds, so the king was no good, but it gave me outs to the ten. I missed turn and river.

I think others are right to b/c flop and I should either raise this up PF or just fold it.
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