Moved up, 3betting 88.

[orange]

puma,
when you say open shove, is it as a bluff or for value? because you are rarely folding out better hands.

[Unknown Soldier]

has to be a bluff, right puma?

I dont get cr either orange, that's a bluff too surely

[ThePuma]

its surely for bluff, but he put us in a tough situation with the preflop actions. I dont know what else to do here a bet on flop surely wont fold out the hands that beat us, but i also dont want to leave it uncuntested. I hate puting in another 50 here cause i dont think it accomplishes anything. Are we betting here for value. I shove here i have fold equity and if i decided to play this that strong out of position preflop i might as well go for it. villian didnt 4 bet me here so hopefully/probably doesnt have KK or AA anything else if he is good i think he can fold here.

[Panthro]

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what are people's thoughts on a c/r AI?

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not deep enough

[Casper05]

if youre going to bluff at this pot, you might as well crai and get value out of AK/AQ/etc because you aren't folding out better hands...maybe 99/TT.

Id prob c/f...

but just call pf.